by Woeler » June 24th, 2012, 9:28 pm
[quote="TheBlackCatCrossing"]^It's this kind of attitude that allows for sociopathic behavior to flourish. Maybe I am old school but I have worked with kids so I think I am allowed to make some sort of judgement. I just think it's sad how some would rather defend the bully than stand up for yourself (or anyone else for that matter because that would be seen as making the situation worse). It was not like that before.[/quote]
I'm not defending the bullies. I'm saying that if she were to punch the children she is going to lose her job and probably go to jail. You know why? Because of the LAW. You can't just punch children, as long as they don't abuse you physically you can't either, and it's surely not self defense if she does it now. You can not just blame those children. People are not born with respect. If you don't teach them respect they won't have it. If you as an adult let those children get to you like that without taking action (like calling parents or the school) then you are just weak and afraid. That's also the reason these kids keep bullying her. For her to take action would be to take her phone and call the school/parents and tell what's happening. If you can't do that you're just really weak and I can say no more than: It's mostly your own fault.
[quote="TheBlackCatCrossing"]If a thief came into your house and tried to rob you, would you invite them in for tea and crumpets? No. You defend yourself. That is what bullies are: they rob you of your dignity and sense of self worth. You don't have to be aggressive to fight back. You cannot be passive and I see too much of this. I come into this thread and I am told you cannot "punch back" and then you cannot verbally tell them to knock it off. What is the victim supposed to do? The woman in this case got lucky but tell that to the parents of Phoebe Prince and Jamey Rodomeyer. In the latter's case, his bullies were harassing his sister about his death at a school social.[/quote]
This would be a great, matching situation... if the robber was unarmed! The robber isn't unarmed in this case, because in this case the law is in favor of the robber. So lets compare the law with a gun. If the robber had a gun, Would you still attack him? Honestly, would you? Probably not because you rather have you TV stolen than your life. So in the end: You do something and you die AKA she does something and she's fired. (BTW really great these days to get fired in GREECE)
[quote="TheBlackCatCrossing"]You are an adult and you are letting kids have power over you. Really? Next you say as a SCHOOL bus driver she does not have the authority to tell the kids to knock it off? What is she supposed to do? As a school bus driver, as someone who works for the school, I DO think she has some authority to tell the kids to knock it off. I am sorry but I don't believe in molly coddling a bunch of "kids" when they are acting like sociopaths. The only sympathy I have is for their parents who got nasty calls and harassment because of THEIR kids behavior. That was uncalled for.[/quote]
Maybe I used the wrong word here. You can't have a schoolbusdriver with no self-esteem. Of course she can tell the kids to knock off, but does she? And do they listen? No. because they haven't been taught respect,and like I said people aren't born with respect.
[quote="TheBlackCatCrossing"]Do you mind if I ask how old you are? If you cannot contribute to the conversation without being immature about it then maybe you shouldn't post. I don't agree with everyone here but at least they had the grace to say what they had to say without being passive aggressive.[/quote]
So I'm an immature kid because I dare to add a little humour to my post? In a debate that's not called immature, that's called style. Maybe I shouldn't post? I don't care what people think of me because of my opinion. I honestly don't. I also really don't care about how other people think about what I'm saying. If I wanted to be aggressive I would have cursed, which btw would be immature, which I'm sure I'm not.
[quote="TheBlackCatCrossing"]I cannot believe how careless some posters are.[/quote]
It's called: being realistic. Life doesn't work because it should work. Life never works. Bullying is wrong, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't exist, because this utopia where everyone lives in peace also doesn't exist. We are all bound to our human nature. There is an evolutionary imperative why we give a crap about our families and friends and why we don't give a crap about anyone else.
There are those who complain about the wind, there are those who hope the wind will change, --though the wise-- the wise adjust their sails.