Man fighting for euthanasia gets NO as an answer.

[Azdgari]

My grandfather committed suicide this year. He was a very proud man, very dignified, someone who was always the master of his own fate. His body was giving out on him, and he knew what end of life is like for people in this day and age. He had always been opposed to the idea of drawing out your life, being kept alive in a hospital until the very end. He felt that to end his life like that would compromise his dignity. He killed himself, ending his life with his own power. To give up control over his own body would have been abhorrent to him.

I don't condemn what he did, or the idea behind it. I can't condemn the idea that you should be able to make choices about yourself, for yourself: among them whether or not you wish to continue living as you will inevitably lose your dignity and quality of life. I think that it is a deeply personal issue. I fully support well considered euthanasia.

[DGFone]

To condone or not condone a suicide of a living person is one thing...

But when all you can do is move your eyes or less... are you really alive?

[Tabby]

I think it doesn't really matter the state you're at, either you're totally paralized, you're a vegetable, you can't move from a bed, or you just lost your legs, or your arms, if you're going through a cancer... or you simply don't feel living is worthy anymore. It's just a thing the person itself has got to decide, what is wrong is doing suicide for stupid matters such being dumped or just having little issues at life, like LIFE IS SO BAD WITH ME NOBODY LUVS ME NOTHING MATTERS ANYWAYS I SHALL KILL MYSELF, it's got to be something really important to take such decision. Howver, the thing here is the assisted suicide, cause if you practice suicide nothing happens, you only die and that's it, if someone else kills you, the person will go to prison, obviously.. But then is there where you ask, Is that life worthy? Living by machines, or rather living because of anything, being dependent... is just not worthy, not to me, I think myself i'd choose not to live when i'm not free, when I can't do anything by myself, it'd just be tragic to me to see myself in such state...

My great grandmother had a fall the other day, her pelvis or hip, dunno, is broken, doctors says she won't be able to walk anymore, even it's most likely she won't be able to even sit, so she'd have to be in a bed for the rest of her life, she's 97... What else is gonna happen on her life?, that's not living, that SURVIVING.

[WildSimba]

[quote="Azdgari"]I fully support well considered abortion.[/quote]

Depends on what you mean as well considered. I think most girls just use it as an easy way out, and I think that's wrong. As said before in this thread, who are you really to take control of someone else's life? Not giving someone the chance to be able to live? That's totally wrong. There's always the option of adoption if you think it's going to be hard.

But I think on rare occasions, like if you know it's going to kill the mother, I think it should be up to the mother to decide which life is more important to her. But just some stupid teenager who didn't use protection and is now pregnant? I say tough luck, life sucks sometimes. It was your fault for not protecting yourself, so you have to man up and face the consequences of what you did.

Also, your story about your grandfather really touched me quite a bit, Az. As I said, I'm certainly not against Euthanasia if the person is suffering. I just don't usually think suicide is the right way out. Your grandfather obviously well considered his options, and he decided that ending his life before it came to him suffering was the correct option for him to make, and I really respect that. But I don't think some teenager who thinks their life is SO HARD because their parents yell at them and make them do chores, are making a good decision when they decide to off themselves. So it pretty much just all depends on the situation.

Your post really gave me some new insight on the subject, as you have a good thing for doing though, and for that I thank you.

[Regulus]

In the old days, if you lost a limb, you'd die. You could not live if your body was not in top shape.

As crazy and irrational as suicide is, it does make sense, in certain conditions. Naturally, in these sorts of situations, death is inevitable anyway, we only insist on prolonging it for some unknown reason.

Which makes me think. Assisted suicide is illegal, but not assisting someone who needs medical help is fine if the person can't pay for it. The world makes perfect sense.

[quote="WildSimba"]But I think on rare occasions, like if you know it's going to kill the mother, I think it should be up to the mother to decide which life is more important to her. But just some stupid teenager who didn't use protection and is now pregnant? I say tough luck, life sucks sometimes. It was your fault for not protecting yourself, so you have to man up and face the consequences of what you did.[/quote]

On the topic of abortion, who do you think is really going to pay the consequences in that scenario? Not the teenager, but her kid. That would be a sucky life.

[Tabby]

[quote="WildSimba"][quote="Azdgari"]I fully support well considered abortion.[/quote]

Depends on what you mean as well considered. I think most girls just use it as an easy way out, and I think that's wrong. As said before in this thread, who are you really to take control of someone else's life? Not giving someone the chance to be able to live? That's totally wrong. There's always the option of adoption if you think it's going to be hard.

But I think on rare occasions, like if you know it's going to kill the mother, I think it should be up to the mother to decide which life is more important to her. But just some stupid teenager who didn't use protection and is now pregnant? I say tough luck, life sucks sometimes. It was your fault for not protecting yourself, so you have to man up and face the consequences of what you did. [/quote]


I think that shouldn't be illegal, as much it shouldn't be morally right, but if the person who's going to carry with the burden for 9 months(even more if the person doesn't give it to adoption), take the decision to abort, it should be respected, ofcourse there will be those irresponsible people doing that, but you're not killing but a mass of cells, a 3 months fetus is not a human being, it does not think, it basically hasn't started to live, and if you consider a mass of cells ''ALIVE'', then the pretty much act of cutting your grass or killing a mosquitoe would be murdering aswell, lol

[WildSimba]

[quote="SimbaCanHazDonut"][quote="WildSimba"][quote="Azdgari"]I fully support well considered abortion.[/quote]

Depends on what you mean as well considered. I think most girls just use it as an easy way out, and I think that's wrong. As said before in this thread, who are you really to take control of someone else's life? Not giving someone the chance to be able to live? That's totally wrong. There's always the option of adoption if you think it's going to be hard.

But I think on rare occasions, like if you know it's going to kill the mother, I think it should be up to the mother to decide which life is more important to her. But just some stupid teenager who didn't use protection and is now pregnant? I say tough luck, life sucks sometimes. It was your fault for not protecting yourself, so you have to man up and face the consequences of what you did. [/quote]


I think that shouldn't be illegal, as much it shouldn't be morally right, but if the person who's going to carry with the burden for 9 months(even more if the person doesn't give it to adoption), take the decision to abort, it should be respected, ofcourse there will be those irresponsible people doing that, but you're not killing but a mass of cells, a 3 months fetus is not a human being, it does not think, it basically hasn't started to live, and if you consider a mass of cells ''ALIVE'', then the pretty much act of cutting your grass or killing a mosquitoe would be murdering aswell, lol[/quote]

Yes, it's a mass of cells when it starts out. But it has the POTENTIAL of life. It may not be alive yet, but it will be soon. I honestly think, if the mother is in good health upon evaluation from a doctor, it should be illegal for her to get an abortion. Because how is it ever right to not give someone the right to live?

And Regulus, the kid might have a hard childhood, sure. But life gets better eventually. Just think of how many people in this world have had a rough childhood. We might as well just all kill ourselves now, with that logic. A kid possibly having a hard life, doesn't give a good reason for the mother to have an abortion. I just don't understand why instead of giving our human interventions towards these things, why not let life just run it's course the way it's supposed to? There's always going to be exceptions towards these things like abortion, but in my honest opinion, any true person, with a conscience would not be able to have something like an abortion without holding a burden of guilt for the rest of their lives.

[Tabby]

So it should be illegal for a woman to choose she doesn't want to carry with a baby, basically ruining her life and the child's itself, I mean, you can't private a person from deciding what to do with its body. It might have the POTENTIAL of life, but it is not a life in that moment, it might be biologically alive, but you know is nothing, NOTHING in the moment they do the abortion. I don't say abortion is such a good thing, cause there're better things the person could do, I'm talking about the right the person has to have an abort, the parents should be the ones to decide, specially the woman, what to do with that ''potential'', anyways, if you decide to not bring it to life, why is it a crime?, you're not killing.

[Azdgari]

Oh geez, I meant to say euthanasia.

...my bad guys...

[Tabby]

LOL AN ARGUMENT WAS CREATED BY OF THE MISINTERPRETATION OF GOD'S WORD