Xd alright I can go explain this the hard way then. Are you familiar with the terms length contraction and time dilation? Due to this effect time slows in moving objects. there is only one way I know to explain this fairly easy.
picture a car moving at 100m/h to the east. then it decides to go north-east. Even though the car is still moving at 100m/h it is going less then 100m/h into the east direction because some of it's energy is used to go north as well. Replace north with space and east with time and you will see that if you start moving you will start moving faster in space but slower in time. due to this effect light is measured at the same speed by all objects. no matter what speed they may have. if you would go 100% north (travel in space) time would stand still. this speed is c
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Re: Speed of light: Fastest speed in the universe or not?
by Woeler » November 22nd, 2011, 9:56 pm
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Re: Speed of light: Fastest speed in the universe or not?
by Regulus » November 22nd, 2011, 10:27 pm
You're right, I forgot about time dilatation. 
So, basically, the speed of light is a constant, and time is not. That makes sense now.
So, basically, the speed of light is a constant, and time is not. That makes sense now.
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Re: Speed of light: Fastest speed in the universe or not?
by Woeler » November 22nd, 2011, 10:39 pm
Yep that's the whole point. Time is not absolute
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Re: Speed of light: Fastest speed in the universe or not?
by Arani » November 26th, 2011, 7:35 am
Believe it or not guys, Scientists have apperently found something faster than the speed of light.
Particals were shot through the earth to another loation for some scientific test, but there was an imput error in the computer. Scientists found that because of this error, the Particals had moved much faster than the speed of light going through the Earth to the other location. Last I heard it look less than one milisecond to reach the second location, like a fraction of a milisecond or some crazy small number. Apperently, they tried it multiple times and got the same result. I don't know the whole story, I don't know how much of this is true, and I lost the article on this, but if u guys find it by all means post it here. This is all simply what I remeber from the article. Pretty interesting stuff.
Particals were shot through the earth to another loation for some scientific test, but there was an imput error in the computer. Scientists found that because of this error, the Particals had moved much faster than the speed of light going through the Earth to the other location. Last I heard it look less than one milisecond to reach the second location, like a fraction of a milisecond or some crazy small number. Apperently, they tried it multiple times and got the same result. I don't know the whole story, I don't know how much of this is true, and I lost the article on this, but if u guys find it by all means post it here. This is all simply what I remeber from the article. Pretty interesting stuff.
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Re: Speed of light: Fastest speed in the universe or not?
by Woeler » November 26th, 2011, 10:11 am
[quote="Arani"]Believe it or not guys, Scientists have apperently found something faster than the speed of light.
Particals were shot through the earth to another loation for some scientific test, but there was an imput error in the computer. Scientists found that because of this error, the Particals had moved much faster than the speed of light going through the Earth to the other location. Last I heard it look less than one milisecond to reach the second location, like a fraction of a milisecond or some crazy small number. Apperently, they tried it multiple times and got the same result. I don't know the whole story, I don't know how much of this is true, and I lost the article on this, but if u guys find it by all means post it here. This is all simply what I remeber from the article. Pretty interesting stuff.[/quote]
Yes this news came from the LHC and they shot particles named neutrinos. However the machine has a measurement delay and they left the tunnels that run below the machine open all the time.
What the media tells you: neutrinos move faster than light, einstein was wrong!
What actually happened: there might be one neutrino that could have been moving at a speed faster than light but it's within the machines delay and the tunnels were left open. So probably not.
Particals were shot through the earth to another loation for some scientific test, but there was an imput error in the computer. Scientists found that because of this error, the Particals had moved much faster than the speed of light going through the Earth to the other location. Last I heard it look less than one milisecond to reach the second location, like a fraction of a milisecond or some crazy small number. Apperently, they tried it multiple times and got the same result. I don't know the whole story, I don't know how much of this is true, and I lost the article on this, but if u guys find it by all means post it here. This is all simply what I remeber from the article. Pretty interesting stuff.[/quote]
Yes this news came from the LHC and they shot particles named neutrinos. However the machine has a measurement delay and they left the tunnels that run below the machine open all the time.
What the media tells you: neutrinos move faster than light, einstein was wrong!
What actually happened: there might be one neutrino that could have been moving at a speed faster than light but it's within the machines delay and the tunnels were left open. So probably not.
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Re: Speed of light: Fastest speed in the universe or not?
by FlipMode » November 26th, 2011, 10:52 pm
[quote="Arani"]Believe it or not guys, Scientists have apperently found something faster than the speed of light.
Particals were shot through the earth to another loation for some scientific test, but there was an imput error in the computer. Scientists found that because of this error, the Particals had moved much faster than the speed of light going through the Earth to the other location. Last I heard it look less than one milisecond to reach the second location, like a fraction of a milisecond or some crazy small number. Apperently, they tried it multiple times and got the same result. I don't know the whole story, I don't know how much of this is true, and I lost the article on this, but if u guys find it by all means post it here. This is all simply what I remeber from the article. Pretty interesting stuff.[/quote]
Please do remember that a nanosecond is quite a lot less than a millisecond.
[quote="Woeler1"]
Yes this news came from the LHC and they shot particles named neutrinos. However the machine has a measurement delay and they left the tunnels that run below the machine open all the time.
What the media tells you: neutrinos move faster than light, einstein was wrong!
What actually happened: there might be one neutrino that could have been moving at a speed faster than light but it's within the machines delay and the tunnels were left open. So probably not.[/quote]
The delay / margin of error is apparently 10 nanoseconds, the neutrino beams despite this still reached the destination 60 nanoseconds faster than c. At least that is what the reports are saying...
Particals were shot through the earth to another loation for some scientific test, but there was an imput error in the computer. Scientists found that because of this error, the Particals had moved much faster than the speed of light going through the Earth to the other location. Last I heard it look less than one milisecond to reach the second location, like a fraction of a milisecond or some crazy small number. Apperently, they tried it multiple times and got the same result. I don't know the whole story, I don't know how much of this is true, and I lost the article on this, but if u guys find it by all means post it here. This is all simply what I remeber from the article. Pretty interesting stuff.[/quote]
Please do remember that a nanosecond is quite a lot less than a millisecond.
[quote="Woeler1"]
Yes this news came from the LHC and they shot particles named neutrinos. However the machine has a measurement delay and they left the tunnels that run below the machine open all the time.
What the media tells you: neutrinos move faster than light, einstein was wrong!
What actually happened: there might be one neutrino that could have been moving at a speed faster than light but it's within the machines delay and the tunnels were left open. So probably not.[/quote]
The delay / margin of error is apparently 10 nanoseconds, the neutrino beams despite this still reached the destination 60 nanoseconds faster than c. At least that is what the reports are saying...
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Re: Speed of light: Fastest speed in the universe or not?
by Woeler » November 27th, 2011, 12:15 am
[quote="FlipMode"][quote="Arani"]Believe it or not guys, Scientists have apperently found something faster than the speed of light.
Particals were shot through the earth to another loation for some scientific test, but there was an imput error in the computer. Scientists found that because of this error, the Particals had moved much faster than the speed of light going through the Earth to the other location. Last I heard it look less than one milisecond to reach the second location, like a fraction of a milisecond or some crazy small number. Apperently, they tried it multiple times and got the same result. I don't know the whole story, I don't know how much of this is true, and I lost the article on this, but if u guys find it by all means post it here. This is all simply what I remeber from the article. Pretty interesting stuff.[/quote]
Please do remember that a nanosecond is quite a lot less than a millisecond.
[quote="Woeler1"]
Yes this news came from the LHC and they shot particles named neutrinos. However the machine has a measurement delay and they left the tunnels that run below the machine open all the time.
What the media tells you: neutrinos move faster than light, einstein was wrong!
What actually happened: there might be one neutrino that could have been moving at a speed faster than light but it's within the machines delay and the tunnels were left open. So probably not.[/quote]
The delay / margin of error is apparently 10 nanoseconds, the neutrino beams despite this still reached the destination 60 nanoseconds faster than c. At least that is what the reports are saying...[/quote]
You read it wrong, the margin of error is 60 and they went 10 nanoseconds faster than c
Particals were shot through the earth to another loation for some scientific test, but there was an imput error in the computer. Scientists found that because of this error, the Particals had moved much faster than the speed of light going through the Earth to the other location. Last I heard it look less than one milisecond to reach the second location, like a fraction of a milisecond or some crazy small number. Apperently, they tried it multiple times and got the same result. I don't know the whole story, I don't know how much of this is true, and I lost the article on this, but if u guys find it by all means post it here. This is all simply what I remeber from the article. Pretty interesting stuff.[/quote]
Please do remember that a nanosecond is quite a lot less than a millisecond.
[quote="Woeler1"]
Yes this news came from the LHC and they shot particles named neutrinos. However the machine has a measurement delay and they left the tunnels that run below the machine open all the time.
What the media tells you: neutrinos move faster than light, einstein was wrong!
What actually happened: there might be one neutrino that could have been moving at a speed faster than light but it's within the machines delay and the tunnels were left open. So probably not.[/quote]
The delay / margin of error is apparently 10 nanoseconds, the neutrino beams despite this still reached the destination 60 nanoseconds faster than c. At least that is what the reports are saying...[/quote]
You read it wrong, the margin of error is 60 and they went 10 nanoseconds faster than c
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Re: Speed of light: Fastest speed in the universe or not?
by FlipMode » November 28th, 2011, 1:24 am
Article I read definitely had the numbers the other way around, but I will take your word for it, Doh! =P
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Re: Speed of light: Fastest speed in the universe or not?
by Woeler » November 28th, 2011, 1:25 am
[quote="FlipMode"]Article I read definitely had the numbers the other way around, but I will take your word for it, Doh! =P[/quote]
Maybe I was wrong but I read it on a couple of websites.
Maybe I was wrong but I read it on a couple of websites.
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Re: Speed of light: Fastest speed in the universe or not?
by FlipMode » November 28th, 2011, 1:27 am
Nah I did more research on it, I think you had it right. Still, the fact they knew there was a delay in the first place really discredits the results if you ask me...
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