Republican candidate advocates death penalty for children

[Woeler]

You're cherry picking Tora. You search your way through the bible and find the occasional good bits and post them. You leave out all the horrible bits, and there are a lot of those. People don't read the bible as if it were made 2000 years ago. They read it literally. That is apart from the fact that the new testament was written by humans. Things like the virgin birth or original sin weren't even in the old testament. Nobody knows what the bible really means to say. It has been misinterpreted (or not) in many ways causing many deaths. It's not the worst book. I am currently reading the quran, it is terrifying.

Sin is a mythical term that keeps people afraid and makes them lie to themselves for a whole lifetime. That is a lot of pain. Ask a normal mixed group of adult people: who has sex on a regular basis? Most people will raise their hand, some people will even raise both hands. Ask that same question in a religious group and nobody will raise their hand. We know they are lying because more than 80% of healthy people have sex on a regular basis. Lying to yourself all your life, that's a lot of unnecessary pain. People only do it because apparently it is a sin. Sex is in our genes and instincts. So apparently there is a creator who creates us sick and then on the costs of death, suffering and misery orders us to be well again. I say that is evil.

And even if people only believe the good bits in the bible, it is still evil.
1. The human genome project by Francis Collins proved that the species human as they are today, have been walking the planet for at least 100.000 years. And if you're a monotheist you have to believe the following. For 98.000 years heaven watched us with indifference. Raping, killing, cannibalism, most people dying before they were 25. Then after 98.000 years they said ''well that's enough of that, it's time to intervene. Lets go to the desert and have another revelation there.''. They won't appear to the Chinese who can already read and write and study evidence, no they appear to the most illiterate part of the middle-east which also happens to have no oil at all.

2. Miss Fritzl in Austria. Her father locked her up for 24 years in his attic. Raping and assaulting her everyday. After that he did the same to the children that were the victims of previous assaults. 24 years... Imagine how she must have begged him, imagine how she must have pleaded, imagine how she must have prayed. Not one answer, not a single thing, nothing! God did watch it with indifference. And what does the bible say? It says ''Well that's ok because she'll get a better deal in another life''. I don't see how anyone can look another person in the face and claim that as ''moral''

It proves my point over and over again. Good people will always do good. Bad people will always do bad. But for good people to do and say wicked things you need religion. This is what you get when following a 2000 year old false ans probably fictional morality. Absolute morality is never a good thing.

If everyone would just read the bible and keep their beliefs to themselves there would be no problem at all. But as soon as these beliefs are affecting others or the government things start getting nasty.

[Tora]

Call it cherry picking if you must, but shall I quote the whole bible for you?

I don't think you know the same God I know. God does not inspire fear in man. The bible is written by man and therefore does have things that do not belong. God fulfills the bible in the end, because his word is within this bible, but it contains words of Satan, Demons, Angels, and Man as well. The bible is not perfect. Yes I do think there is a lot of things that appear can be interpreted differently. The bible is inspired by God. Just like a movie that is Inspired by a true story it will contain nonfactual things; we must recognize those things.

In the verse this man is referring to, Moses's law addresses the nation of Israel not the gentiles or non-Jews. He doesn't even understand what he is writing. This verse doesn't even talk of "children" in the sense he is trying to express; it says in Deuteronomy 21:20 "This our son is stubborn and rebellous, he will not obey our voices; he is a glutton, and a drunkard," how many children do you know that are "drunkards?" This verse is talking about adult children who are freeloading their parents, and disrespecting them. Secondly the New Testament teaches us love and forgiveness rather than revenge and retribution.

[Woeler]

[quote="Tora"]Call it cherry picking if you must, but shall I quote the whole bible for you?

I don't think you know the same God I know. God does not inspire fear in man. The bible is written by man and therefore does have things that do not belong. God fulfills the bible in the end, because his word is within this bible, but it contains words of Satan, Demons, Angels, and Man as well. The bible is not perfect. Yes I do think there is a lot of things that appear can be interpreted differently. The bible is inspired by God. Just like a movie that is Inspired by a true story it will contain nonfactual things; we must recognize those things.

In the verse this man is referring to, Moses's law addresses the nation of Israel not the gentiles or non-Jews. He doesn't even understand what he is writing. This verse doesn't even talk of "children" in the sense he is trying to express; it says in Deuteronomy 21:20 "This our son is stubborn and rebellous, he will not obey our voices; he is a glutton, and a drunkard," how many children do you know that are "drunkards?" This verse is talking about adult children who are freeloading their parents, and disrespecting them. Secondly the New Testament teaches us love and forgiveness rather than revenge and retribution.[/quote]
It is cherry picking. People always preach about how nonviolent religion is by showing the occasional good verses and leaving out the horrible bits. Most people that claim to be Christians do not practice these things at all. Martin Luther King gets to call himself a Christian because he actually loved his enemies, but people who rejoice in revenge, torture and war can not say they are a follower of the guy who explicitly said ''love your enemies'' and ''do good to those who hate you''. The next line isn't ''and if that doesn't work hate them''. Jesus said things like ''Do not repay evil with evil'' and ''Do not take revenge on someone who wrongs you''. The new testament, the quran and especially the old testament are a horrorshow, and people practice it like a horroshow. These weirdos can get into politics, something is wrong.

Nonviolence was kind of Jesus' trademark. To not follow that part is like joining Greenpeace and hating whales. There is interpreting and there is just ignoring. It's ignoring if you're for torture, it's ignoring if you're pro deathpenalty, it's ignoring if you're pro war, it's ignoring if you're con gay marriage. Those people just completely reject the actual teachings of their faith and yet they call themselves Christians.

I'm not even judging anyone with that. I'm just saying you can't square the circle. If people ignore the things Jesus said, those people aren't Christians. By those standards most Christians aren't the followers of Christ, they're just fans...

[Dark Huntress]

[quote="Tora"]Call it cherry picking if you must, but shall I quote the whole bible for you?

I don't think you know the same God I know. God does not inspire fear in man. The bible is written by man and therefore does have things that do not belong. God fulfills the bible in the end, because his word is within this bible, but it contains words of Satan, Demons, Angels, and Man as well. The bible is not perfect. Yes I do think there is a lot of things that appear can be interpreted differently. The bible is inspired by God. Just like a movie that is Inspired by a true story it will contain nonfactual things; we must recognize those things.

In the verse this man is referring to, Moses's law addresses the nation of Israel not the gentiles or non-Jews. He doesn't even understand what he is writing. This verse doesn't even talk of "children" in the sense he is trying to express; it says in Deuteronomy 21:20 "This our son is stubborn and rebellous, he will not obey our voices; he is a glutton, and a drunkard," how many children do you know that are "drunkards?" This verse is talking about adult children who are freeloading their parents, and disrespecting them. Secondly the New Testament teaches us love and forgiveness rather than revenge and retribution.[/quote]

^ That, completely

[Baya]

[quote="Tora"]Call it cherry picking if you must, but shall I quote the whole bible for you?

I don't think you know the same God I know. God does not inspire fear in man. The bible is written by man and therefore does have things that do not belong. God fulfills the bible in the end, because his word is within this bible, but it contains words of Satan, Demons, Angels, and Man as well. The bible is not perfect. Yes I do think there is a lot of things that appear can be interpreted differently. The bible is inspired by God. Just like a movie that is Inspired by a true story it will contain nonfactual things; we must recognize those things.

In the verse this man is referring to, Moses's law addresses the nation of Israel not the gentiles or non-Jews. He doesn't even understand what he is writing. This verse doesn't even talk of "children" in the sense he is trying to express; it says in Deuteronomy 21:20 "This our son is stubborn and rebellous, he will not obey our voices; he is a glutton, and a drunkard," how many children do you know that are "drunkards?" This verse is talking about adult children who are freeloading their parents, and disrespecting them. Secondly the New Testament teaches us love and forgiveness rather than revenge and retribution.[/quote]

1) "God does not inspire fear in man?" Are you freaking kidding me? I'm sorry, but do you not go to hell if you displease God with sins? So if you don't do what God says, you go to hell right? That's inspiring fear...

2) So you openly admit you are quoting bible verses that have no power and effect because they are technically written be people who cannot interpret God? So basically, your quotes are of no power or effect in any which way. Also, if the bible is what inspires the idea of God as you see him, then how did they write the bible? That sounds like circular reasoning.

3) Seems kind of weird that God would only tell the Israelites a law that would have them eventually brought into better graces...what of the other people that God supposedly created? They aren't good enough to know about the laws that would get them into heaven? Religion holding racial preference for heaven? Who knew?!

4) That word "Us" I don't like. You can say this verse taught ME to love and forgive, but you don't speak for everyone. If you did, there would be no crusades or fanatics who take religion super literally. If the book meant to speak of love and forgiveness, then why is it so easily misinterpreted? It's hard for a Pope to say "Love thy enemy" means love them with your sword, seriously...

5) Generally, bible quotes are not good things to use in a legitimate argument, because the bible is filled with logical contradictions and the whole concept of "God" that Christians assert cannot be proven or disproven. Faith does not = grounds of truth. I can have faith the world is flat...objectively, it has been proven that it is round. You cannot base on argument on logically fallacious reasoning.