Do You Believe in Ghosts or Spirits?

[Carl]

I never said we don't have souls/spirits.

And until it can be proven otherwise, as far as I'm concerned, there is only one place you go when you die: the dirt.

I'm just trying to understand how you can believe in one thing that can't be proven, but totally disbelieve in another, even though there is no more evidence for or against either one. This is what I'm trying to figure out. Please explain it to me.

[SlayerOfLight]

@Juliette these spirits/demons can communicate with humans through occult methods, such as Oujja boards, mediums, automatic writing, and more. They can even demonic posess humans, and drive us insane to kill others, hate God, and/or commit suicide. the avarage scientist says its rubbish, but too many people have been though this. Even my mother told me that I told her many years ago when I was small (even though I can't remember) that I heared voices each night, and I hated sleeping in the dark. Besides this, I've also known someone on my work who used an Oujja board to talk with spirits. she didn't tell me everything, but she for sure told me she would NEVER do it again.

[Carl]

No matter what the "afflicted" person might say, there is no excuse for killing someone, especially not "a demon made me do it."

And I don't think God needs demons' help to make people hate him. If he's real, then he's the reason my life sucks, and he's the reason that good people die. I'm sorry if that offends you, but if God's real, I already hate him.

As for the Ouija board, it could be anything. It's more likely magnetic pull than a demon.

Anyway, enough of that. Not trying to bash you or anything, just wondering what the thinking is, you know? What I'm really curious about, as I said in my last post, is how you can believe in one thing that can't be proven, but totally disbelieve in another?

[KopsTheTerminator]

I don't think dreaming about ghosts proves their existence. I mean hey, I've had religious dreams but I don't go around saying "Hey I saw Jesus in my dream he's really real!!!" since dreams are spontaneous and random so you could dream about pretty much anything. I could dream about meeting a dragon too, does that prove their existence?

No, I don't believe in ghosts/demons at all, nor I really trust anyone who says they encountered one, as there isn't any sciencific proof of their existence. Sorry.

[SlayerOfLight]

@juliette I understand what you're saying, and I dont feel offended in any way, because I also used to think like that. I also blamed God for everything. But the truth is, is that God works more complex then we can understand. The more I came to learn about God, the lesser I would hate/dislike him.

my life isn't good neither. in fact, it's FAR from perfect. I got almost nothing. I ruined up my entire life, was bullied when I was little by teenagers, got a bad reputation everywhere, and the list goes on. I lost many people who I had close bonds with. I still remember one year ago at the summer of 2010 when my dog died right in my arms. Of course I was sad, but the same next day I was able to laugh my socks off and have fun. How did I manage to do that? simple, I was stronger in the spirit then I expected. I certainly know and believe that it was God who made sure I wouldn't get depressed over such a huge loss. Because my dog was the only one I enjoyed being arround with, in my house.

I have been through many things, and I have enough evidence that God, demons, angels, excist. It's not a matter of needing ''evidence'', but a matter of experiencing it yourself. Listening to the words of humans who tell you and show you ''evidence'' that something isn't real, is easy. But what about listening to your own heart, instead of the words of men?

suffering is not a curse given by God. It's just ''life''. Nature and God are two complete things. God created nature and observes everything. But mankind has turned it's back on God, not God who turned his back on us. Because we are not a mistake, but made in his image. He even loved us so much, that he send out his word, so that his word may be born out of a virgin and teache us the right way. And this word of God, which is God as well, is Jesus Christ. he gave himself to our mercy, he was nailed and crucified for our sins, so that we may get back to God again.

I hope and pray you're willing to open up a little to this. I'm also sorry to hear that you don't have a good life. But life is a test. we are a seed, and only after death, will we find out if our seeds became either bad fruits, or good fruits.

[Carl]

Yeah, it is just life.
However, God supposedly has power over everything. If that's the case, then he could stop all of these bad things from happening, if he wanted to. And, if you're going to say that the devil's behind it all, my response is that if he wanted to, God could destroy Satan and every single demon along with him.
After all I have seen and after all I know, my heart tells me that there's no God, and if there was, he's to blame. Every single bad thing that has happened to me, or to anyone else, if God really existed and really loved us, he would have stopped it.

But we're getting off topic, now. I don't wanna get MheetusMate's topic locked by discussing religion here.

[SlayerOfLight]

@juliettte Alright, here's my last post then. If you want, we can continue this in PM.

the devil (aka Satan) is losing power. But the more he loses power, he will become like a cornered animal. And we all know that a wild and cornered animal is extremely dangerous. All the increasing misery and bad things in the world, such as disasters, wars and rumors of wars, are the final sign that Satan's time is almost up, rather then God turning his back on us and leaving us to our own fate. But still, Satan hates mankind, so he will try and drag as many souls with him to his destruction. Why does God allow this? Because it's our own choice. we turned our backs on him. we refuse God's love. We simply reject him, and everything he offers us.

my conclusion: Mankind is devoted from God, but God isn't devoted from us. I'm going to leave it at this. like I said, we can still go on politely on this through PM's.

my apologises for going off-topic to anyone who reads this.

[TheLionPrince]

Let's see...I believe in angels and demons, and I believe every human has a soul that will ascend into the afterlife to be judged after you die. Heaven or hell...there is no purgatory!

As for ghosts and spirits, I have become so interested in paranormal activity which I watched "ghost videos" on YouTube from time to time, watched the Paranormal Activity series, and often watch Celebrity Ghost Stories and Haunted History on the weekends.

As for Celebrity Ghost Stories, I believe for most of them, they are seeing demons brought upon them by their actions. In other words, their actions invites the demon into their lives. For example, I watched Episode 39 with my family, and there was one segment with actressRenée Taylor, in which she claimed she saw her stage mother's spirit weeping near a piano when she was awoken by her grandson. The priest came the next day, and told her to release herself of the grief she had after her death. Ms. Taylor did so, and the spirit went away. So, in my belief, she was seeing a demon because she wouldn't let go of the past w/ her mother...see how this ties in with The Lion King.

So, as to whether I believe in ghosts or spirits, not really...just angels and demons!

[SlayerOfLight]

@TheLionPrince so true! I agree with you. two places after we die, no purgatory. either abraham's bossom (paradise/heaven) or Sheol (hell) where the damned will be held untill the great and terrible day of judgement, where everyone who's names are not written in the lamb's book of life, will be cast into the lake of fire. the same fate awaits for all demons.

They don't teache this in many churches, and instead, they twist the doctrines or add false gospels into them, not written in the bible.