Kopa

[Mark]

What about the idea of Kiara being born first?

It's outlined pretty well here:

http://www.animationsource.org/lion_kin ... id_film=14

I can't see any wholes in it - the entire plot of SP slots in between the second last and last scenes of the original film. It explains why Simba is a more nervous parent with Kiara than Kopa (because she's his first cub); It explains why the issue with the oulanders is never mentioned in the Six New Adventures (because they have been resolved); It explains why Kopa is never mentioned in SP (because he wasn't actually born yet).

To me, it all makes sense - but can anyone (more eagle eyed than me) spot any problems with this theory?

The only thing I can see is this: At the end of TLK, why was the presentation of Kopa (second child) shown and not the presentation of Kiara (the ceremonies are so different that I can't accept them being the same cub)?

Actually, I found an anwser for this as well - Kopa being the first male cub, he is the future king and therefore his birth is the next significant thing in the timeline of lion kings.

Yeah, I know that the chances are Disney never even considered this - but I like having a 'canon' story in my head, it makes me feel like I appreciate the universe much better.

So, any plotholes with this theory?

[DGFone]

Apart from the timing being way off (The ending of TLK 1 is after SP?), the theory is strong. But it is not solid, with the main reason being that it's hard to stuff an entire movie in between 15 seconds (or however long it showed the Pridelands healing in TLK 1). There is no real reason why the outsiders were banished. Then there is always the age thing: Simba and Nala would have to grow younger after SP for them to look the way they did in the end of TLK 1. It's a good theory, and it has its strong points, but it still has a few holes in it. Some of the holes are rather big, unfortunately.

[Annie]

[quote="Mark"]What about the idea of Kiara being born first?

It's outlined pretty well here:

http://www.animationsource.org/lion_kin ... id_film=14

I can't see any wholes in it - the entire plot of SP slots in between the second last and last scenes of the original film. It explains why Simba is a more nervous parent with Kiara than Kopa (because she's his first cub); It explains why the issue with the oulanders is never mentioned in the Six New Adventures (because they have been resolved); It explains why Kopa is never mentioned in SP (because he wasn't actually born yet).

To me, it all makes sense - but can anyone (more eagle eyed than me) spot any problems with this theory?

The only thing I can see is this: At the end of TLK, why was the presentation of Kopa (second child) shown and not the presentation of Kiara (the ceremonies are so different that I can't accept them being the same cub)?

Actually, I found an anwser for this as well - Kopa being the first male cub, he is the future king and therefore his birth is the next significant thing in the timeline of lion kings.

Yeah, I know that the chances are Disney never even considered this - but I like having a 'canon' story in my head, it makes me feel like I appreciate the universe much better.

So, any plotholes with this theory?[/quote]



This is also my theory ^^

[Daenerys]

canon or fanon, Kopa is just a neat character

[KopsTheTerminator]

[quote="Mark"]What about the idea of Kiara being born first?

It's outlined pretty well here:

http://www.animationsource.org/lion_kin ... id_film=14

I can't see any wholes in it - the entire plot of SP slots in between the second last and last scenes of the original film. It explains why Simba is a more nervous parent with Kiara than Kopa (because she's his first cub); It explains why the issue with the oulanders is never mentioned in the Six New Adventures (because they have been resolved); It explains why Kopa is never mentioned in SP (because he wasn't actually born yet).

To me, it all makes sense - but can anyone (more eagle eyed than me) spot any problems with this theory?

The only thing I can see is this: At the end of TLK, why was the presentation of Kopa (second child) shown and not the presentation of Kiara (the ceremonies are so different that I can't accept them being the same cub)?

Actually, I found an anwser for this as well - Kopa being the first male cub, he is the future king and therefore his birth is the next significant thing in the timeline of lion kings.

Yeah, I know that the chances are Disney never even considered this - but I like having a 'canon' story in my head, it makes me feel like I appreciate the universe much better.

So, any plotholes with this theory?[/quote]

But where are Kovu and Kiara and why would Simba and Nala have a cub at such a late age when they're supposed to be GRANDPARENTS?

[AdAstrα]

And why did they hold a presentation for him if he wasn't the first born? (I know there's been some discussion about whether or not it's just the first born cub that gets presented, but still, could be a huge flaw!)

[Jiirani]

It's hardly a huge flaw as when the first movie was being created the creators had no plans whatsoever to make the cub into an actual character at all. The character, 'Fluffy' is just a hollow character created to have no purpose, and was only made to show that the circle of life was whole again. I hardly think creating something with no proper purpsoe at all is a flaw.

[KopsTheTerminator]

Conclusion: You can't place Kopa anywhere in SP. SP and TLK6NA are completely different universes and can't become one. (HA! @ Kiara. SP and TLK6NA are not one. *Mindblow*)

[Mark]

[KopsTheTerminator]

At the last point: But wouldn't that be irrensponsible? Simba and Nala would probably die before they would be able to teach Kopa everything about ruling a kingdom. Kiara could not have that knowledge since a queen has different duties as seen in the original movie, where Mufasa did most duties outside Pride Rock while Sarabi was simply enjoying her time. And besides, unless Kiara agreed to give the throne to Kopa, that would have been kind of harsh on Kiara.. She was taught how to be a queen her entire life instead of doing what normal cubs do, and then suddenly it all goes on a waste? That would have been really out of character for Simba.