Fluffy - Revision history

Moka: Protected "Fluffy": temporarily locked until we sort stuff out. check out the talk page for this article ([edit=sysop] (indefinite) [move=sysop] (indefinite))

2011-04-14T06:35:41Z

Protected "Fluffy": temporarily locked until we sort stuff out. check out the talk page for this article ([edit=sysop] (indefinite) [move=sysop] (indefinite))

Wildsimba: /* Girl or boy? */

2011-04-14T02:03:06Z

‎Girl or boy?

Moka: /* Who is Fluffy, really? */

2011-04-14T01:58:13Z

‎Who is Fluffy, really?

Moka: /* Who is Fluffy, really? */ What did that even mean?

2011-04-14T01:54:29Z

‎Who is Fluffy, really?: What did that even mean?

Superbabysimba: /* Who is Fluffy, really? */ Sorry, just noticed this was as a Trivia at the bottom. No need to repeat it. ^^

2011-04-13T16:12:09Z

‎Who is Fluffy, really?: Sorry, just noticed this was as a Trivia at the bottom. No need to repeat it. ^^

Superbabysimba: /* Who is Fluffy, really? */ Added some clarifying, official facts.

2011-04-13T13:24:00Z

‎Who is Fluffy, really?: Added some clarifying, official facts.

Superbabysimba: /* Girl or boy? */ Let's forget about Kovu, because his designers were not the same as Fluffy's. We can look only into the designs in the first film when debating its possibly intended gender.

2011-04-13T13:11:53Z

‎Girl or boy?: Let's forget about Kovu, because his designers were not the same as Fluffy's. We can look only into the designs in the first film when debating its possibly intended gender.

Superbabysimba: Again, it's genderless in that picture/film officially. So it's grandchild, not grandson.

2011-04-13T12:25:51Z

Again, it's genderless in that picture/film officially. So it's grandchild, not grandson.

Moka: Timon took a bite out of Zira's ear? Let's only keep the common fan theories on these articles.

2011-04-13T03:36:14Z

Timon took a bite out of Zira's ear? Let's only keep the common fan theories on these articles.

Wildsimba: /* Who is Fluffy, really? */

2011-04-13T01:09:49Z

‎Who is Fluffy, really?

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 Because the gender of the cub is never officially cited by its creators, the question often arises whether the film makers intended Fluffy to be a boy or a girl - but the chances are they did not bother to decide its gender because they indeed didn't announce any such decision on the commentary track and even gave it a unisex nickname. This chance is supported also by how they reveal in making-of documentaries that they didn't believe in the film's success, which supports the chance that no sequel was intended and thus they didn't bother to decide a gender for the cub.
-However, theories are thrown around: some argue that Fluffy was intended to be a boy because of the similarities in appearance to Simba and because of the dark ear rings. (Nala didn't have dark ear rings as a cub unlike young Simba had.) Others argue that as Simba is the only ''infant'' boy known in the film and he didn't have the ear rings as an infant, Fluffy having the rings has it intended a girl. Especially as Simba's mother, [[Sarabi]] has the dark ear rings while Simba's father [[Mufasa]] does not, nor does adult Simba. As in the film makers may have intended that infant boys do not have the dark ear rings but gain them when growing up and lose them by adult age, whereas infant girls have them but lose them when growing up and gain them back at adult age. As most lionessess don't have them as adults, this could apply to only Simba's blood line. Or, the dark ear rings just aren't an evidence of a gender but a totally random design detail.
+Some theories are passed around, though. One theory is that because Fluffy has dark ear rims, (and some other girls in the films to, ex. Nala), and Simba doesn't, it makes it a little more apparant that the cub might be a girl. But this could of also of been a continuity error, and is never really mentioned by the films creators.
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-Fluffy wasn't anointed with the fruit juice on the forehead before the presentation like Simba was, which may be a part of the ceremony only celebrated with male cubs. (Which is later supported in [[The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride]] when infant [[Kiara]] wasn't anointed before being presented by [[Rafiki]]).
 == Who is Fluffy, really? ==

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 Why they remade the cub's ceremony scene for the actual film is unknown. Why they redesigned the cub for the actual film is also unknown. Whatever the motive, the act is ''retroactive continuity'' and is very common in fictional film series.
-Officially, the cub at the end of The Lion King and at the beginning of [[The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride]] are supposed to be the same. Still, because of the differences in the ceremonies and the cubs and whatever other reasons in the film itself, some fans believe that Fluffy is actually another one of Simba's cubs.
+The most obvious and official identity of Fluffy is Kiara. Still, because of the differences in the ceremonies and the cubs and whatever other reasons in the film itself, some fans believe that Fluffy is actually another one of Simba's cubs.
 == Trivia ==

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 Why they remade the cub's ceremony scene for the actual film is unknown. Why they redesigned the cub for the actual film is also unknown. Whatever the motive, the act is ''retroactive continuity'' and is very common in fictional film series.
-Officially, the cub at the end of The Lion King and at the beginning of [[The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride]] are supposed to be the same. Still, because of the differences in the ceremonies and the cubs and whatever other reasons in the film itself, some fans believe that Fluffy is actually another one of Simba's cubs from the entity of the official The Lion King universe.
+Officially, the cub at the end of The Lion King and at the beginning of [[The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride]] are supposed to be the same. Still, because of the differences in the ceremonies and the cubs and whatever other reasons in the film itself, some fans believe that Fluffy is actually another one of Simba's cubs.
 == Trivia ==

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 Soon enough Disney's film makers started to create an [[official]] sequel film, but the crew was all different from those who created the [[canon]] film. A rumour has it that the sequel's creators were planning to write the story with two cubs, a boy and a girl, but cut the boy out in early production and developed the story only with the girl who was later named [[Kiara]]. However, no official source for such production development has yet been proven.
-They used Fluffy for baby Kiara in the sequel's official trailer. Why they remade the cub's ceremony scene for the actual film is unknown. Why they redesigned the cub for the actual film is also unknown. Whatever the motive, the act is ''retroactive continuity'' and is very common in fictional film series.
+Why they remade the cub's ceremony scene for the actual film is unknown. Why they redesigned the cub for the actual film is also unknown. Whatever the motive, the act is ''retroactive continuity'' and is very common in fictional film series.
 Officially, the cub at the end of The Lion King and at the beginning of [[The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride]] are supposed to be the same. Still, because of the differences in the ceremonies and the cubs and whatever other reasons in the film itself, some fans believe that Fluffy is actually another one of Simba's cubs from the entity of the official The Lion King universe.

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 After the release of [[The Lion King]] in 1994, the cub became very popular object of speculation as for who it is. The film's content itself doesn't say anything about the cub apart from its outside appearance. No name or gender is given.
-In 1994, a few months after the film was released, a book series was published titled [[The Lion King: Six New Adventures]]. It became one of the most popular Lion King book series, but it quite unknown, because it was only released in America. In it, [[Simba]] and [[Nala]] have a son named [[Kopa]].
+In 1994, a few months after the film was released, a book series was published titled [[The Lion King: Six New Adventures]]. It became one of the most popular Lion King book series, but it quite unknown, because it was only released in America. In it, [[Simba]] and [[Nala]] have a son named [[Kopa]]. Those books were not written by any of the film's creators.
-In 1995 the film's creators released a commentary track for the Laserdisc release of the film, wherein they called the cub "Fluffy" and didn't refer to it as either a 'he' or 'she'.
+In 1995 the film's creators released a commentary track for the Laserdisc release of the film, wherein they called the cub "Fluffy" and didn't refer to it as either a 'he' or 'she'. They didn't mention Kopa in any way.
-Soon enough Disney's film makers started to create an [[official]] sequel film, but the crew was all different from those who created the [[canon]] film. The sequel's creators were planning to write the story with two cubs, a boy and a girl, but cut the boy out in early production and developed the story only with the girl who was later named [[Kiara]].
+Soon enough Disney's film makers started to create an [[official]] sequel film, but the crew was all different from those who created the [[canon]] film. A rumour has it that the sequel's creators were planning to write the story with two cubs, a boy and a girl, but cut the boy out in early production and developed the story only with the girl who was later named [[Kiara]]. However, no official source for such production development has yet been proven.
-Why they remade the cub's ceremony scene is unknown. Why they redesigned the cub is also unknown. Whatever the motive, the act is ''retroactive continuity'' and is very common in fictional film series.
+They used Fluffy for baby Kiara in the sequel's official trailer. Why they remade the cub's ceremony scene for the actual film is unknown. Why they redesigned the cub for the actual film is also unknown. Whatever the motive, the act is ''retroactive continuity'' and is very common in fictional film series.
-Officially, the cub at the end of The Lion King and at the beginning of [[The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride]] are supposed to be the same. Still, because of the differences in the ceremonies and the cubs and whatever other reasons, some fans believe that Fluffy is actually another one of Simba's cubs.
+Officially, the cub at the end of The Lion King and at the beginning of [[The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride]] are supposed to be the same. Still, because of the differences in the ceremonies and the cubs and whatever other reasons in the film itself, some fans believe that Fluffy is actually another one of Simba's cubs from the entity of the official The Lion King universe.
 == Trivia ==

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 == Girl or boy? ==
-Because the gender of the cub is never officially cited, the question often arises whether the film makers intended Fluffy to be a boy or a girl. Some argue that Fluffy was intended to be a boy because of the similarities in appearance to Simba and the dark ear rings. (No female cub in the movies has had dark ear rings like young Simba and [[Kovu]]). Others argue that Fluffy wasn't anointed with the fruit juice on the forehead before the presentation like Simba was, which may be a part of the ceremony only celebrated with male cubs. (Which is later supported in [[The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride]] when infant [[Kiara]] wasn't anointed before being presented by [[Rafiki]]).
+Because the gender of the cub is never officially cited by its creators, the question often arises whether the film makers intended Fluffy to be a boy or a girl - but the chances are they did not bother to decide its gender because they indeed didn't announce any such decision on the commentary track and even gave it a unisex nickname. This chance is supported also by how they reveal in making-of documentaries that they didn't believe in the film's success, which supports the chance that no sequel was intended and thus they didn't bother to decide a gender for the cub.
 == Who is Fluffy, really? ==

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 | Species             = Lion
 | Appearances         = [[The Lion King]]
-| Close_Relations     = Child of [[Simba]] and [[Nala]], Grandson of [[Mufasa]] and [[Sarabi]]
+| Close_Relations     = Child of [[Simba]] and [[Nala]], Grandchild of [[Mufasa]] and [[Sarabi]]
 }}

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 {{Infobox character
 | Img                 = Fluffy.png
-| Img_capt            = Fluffy, being presented to [[The Pridelands]] by [[Rafiki]]| Nicknames           =
+| Img_capt            = Fluffy, being presented to [[The Pridelands]] by [[Rafiki]]
 | Meaning             =
 | Species             = Lion
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 Why they remade the cub's ceremony scene is unknown. Why they redesigned the cub is also unknown. Whatever the motive, the act is ''retroactive continuity'' and is very common in fictional film series.
-To this day, it is unknown officially who Fluffy actually is. Some fans argue it's Kiara, because the cub used for Fluffy was used in the official trailer, while others Argue it was Kopa, but that he was killed by [[Zira]] before the second film began, and that it would also explain the large hole in Zira's ear. Fans often speculate that [[Timon]] took a bite out of her ear in attempts to save Kopa, but unsuccessful. Neigther of these speculations are fact, and are considered fan theorys.
+Officially, the cub at the end of The Lion King and at the beginning of [[The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride]] are supposed to be the same. Still, because of the differences in the ceremonies and the cubs and whatever other reasons, some fans believe that Fluffy is actually another one of Simba's cubs.
 == Trivia ==