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Talk:Fluffy

2011-04-16T11:20:28Z

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Do we have a link to the SP trailer that showed the original celebration? If so, it would be great to cite that as a source. ~ [[User:Moka|Moka]] 10:26, 8 April 2011 (PDT)
:Maybe http://homepage.mac.com/maanerud/movies/simbapridetrailer.mov ? --[[User:Nitrol|Nitrol]] 10:52, 8 April 2011 (PDT)
::Cool, they used the original version of He Lives in You :) I'll cite this video in the article. Nice find! ~ [[User:Moka|Moka]] 11:26, 8 April 2011 (PDT)

Not to be rude, but perhaps before undoing the entire edit I made, you should post what you think is wrong on the edit page. Obviously, the paragraph before on the page was very opinionated, which is why I revised it. Remember, that all the articles need to stay neutral of any opinion. Still took out a few things, please use the talk page before editing further, that's what the page is for. --[[User:Wildsimba|Wildsimba]] 15:32, 8 April 2011 (PDT)
:I agree -- The articles must stay neutral of opinion. I don't think the article should take a stance on who Fluffy is ''supposed'' to be or other external elements such as that. It should focus on Fluffy's scope: the brief 3 seconds we see him/her and the references to him/her such as the statement by the film makers and the SP trailer. You guys need to work together to bring the article to an agreeable neutral state, where bare bone facts are laid out. There ''can'' be fan speculation sections, but they need to be done even more professionally. They need to be common theories, concise statements, and courteous to other points of view. ~ [[User:Moka|Moka]] 21:40, 8 April 2011 (PDT)

== Actually ==

SBS, there is an official concept sketch from the production of SP that proves they were considering Chaka as a character. ~ [[User:Moka|Moka]] 13:14, 12 April 2011 (PDT)
:He thought Chaka wasn't? --[[User:Wildsimba|Wildsimba]] 15:35, 12 April 2011 (PDT)
::Actually I haven't found anything to support Chaka. The concept sketch I was thinking about was for Shani. Sorry about that. ~ [[User:Moka|Moka]] 17:27, 12 April 2011 (PDT)
:::Huh? Chaka does have a concept sketch, it's on the actual DVD for the movie. --[[User:Wildsimba|Wildsimba]] 17:48, 12 April 2011 (PDT)
::::This is the file I was thinking of: [[Image:Shani.jpg]] If you find another concept sketch with Chaka labeled in it, then share it. But I've never seen something like this for Chaka. ~ [[User:Moka|Moka]] 20:22, 12 April 2011 (PDT)
:::::Huh? I've never even seen that picture before. They did show concept art for Chaka on the DVD though, if I can find it. --[[User:Wildsimba|Wildsimba]] 10:02, 13 April 2011 (PDT)

== Uhhm, okay. ==

This article is kinda like a TL;DR now. Especially the "Boy, or Girl?" section. Can we perhaps take out a few details, that are over analyzing things? I tried reading it, but hardly understood it, because half the section is talking about dark ear rings, and it's like... What? --[[User:Wildsimba|Wildsimba]] 10:26, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
:I doubt it's confusing for a completely new reader. And I'd think if the fan arguments are to be kept in it'd be best to take in all the facts from the film instead of arguing with just a few of them as if they were all there is to it. If it's gotten confusing, I suggest we just ditch the fan arguments completely and be satisfied with what the commentary track and documentaries say and how the sequel film confirms the fruit juice mattter to relate to the gender. As in that we wouldn't throw in any fan point of views whatsoever into it when it comes to the appearance. --[[User:Superbabysimba|Superbabysimba]] 13 April 2011 (PDT)
::Okay well first of all, the fruit juice thing doesn't prove anything. Most likely, the film makers didn't care enough to have the events in the exact same order during the ceremony. Or, maybe the order doesn't matter at all, and as long as the cub is anointed and presented everyone's happy. Rafiki could've anointed Fluffy after the presentation. To me, the fruit juice argument is just another theory that is dependent on too many opinions. Just because it's your theory doesn't make it fact. That aside, if this article is just going to be filled with random theories like "Timon bit Zira's ear" I think it might be best to just take them all out and stick to the absolute facts and what we know for certain. There can maybe be a fan theories section put in later but right now we apparently can't handle it. ~ [[User:Moka|Moka]] 12:38, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
:::I only added in the "timon bit Zira's ear" because it is actually a fan theory I've heard quite a bit, so it's not really a random theory. But yeah, I agree all the fan theorys just be left out for now, INCLUDING the fruit juice theory, as well as your theorys that Kiara is Fluffy. These are NOT fact, and if we're going to keep it factual, those don't need to be there. Also, for now on, I think we should post on the talk page before editing a controversial article like Kopa or Fluffy, we all need to be at a equal playing field for this wiki to work out. So if everyone agrees, that'd be the point in which you edit the article. It's much more appreciated if you discuss something first, though of course minor edits don't matter, just if your going to change some larger then a typo, it's best to ask an opinion just before you edit in, because you never know, they could prove you wrong. --[[User:Wildsimba|Wildsimba]] 13:10, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
::::Look, I didn't mean that my theory makes the fruit juice relation a fact for the canon cub's original means. Heck, I'm absolutely sure the canon creators just didn't give a rat's bum about how they designed the cub in any way. But I was suggesting the fruit juice detail to be pointed out because it's significance is official. As in, it became officially significant by the official sequel's makers using Fluffy in their official footage (the official trailer) and then making the fruit juice detail to be about the gender in the movie itself. As in, the fruit juice's significance isn't ''canon'' for Fluffy's gender but it most certainly is ''official'' for Fluffy's gender. This is also why Fluffy being Kiara in the official movie universe is a fact. It would be debatable if the sequel's official trailer didn't have Fluffy in it but it does, or if the trailer had Fluffy, Kiara and some otehr cub but it has only Fluffy and Kiara. --[[User:Superbabysimba|Superbabysimba]] 13 April 2011 (PDT)
:::::I swear, if as much effort was put into the other articles as was just put into this Fluffy article the past few weeks, we'd have a lot done. Lol. That's why we should consult the talk page before making huge edits like WS said. Also, the point you're trying to make about the fruit juice is still a theory. The trailers to movies aren't quite official sources. They occur before the final product is released. It doesn't make anything a fact on its own, and if we took the same approach with other things we would get confused very quickly. The fact that Fluffy was in the SP trailer should ''attribute'' to the argument that Fluffy and Kiara are the same cub. There are valid arguments to show that Fluffy and Kiara are not the same cub as well and we can't just hide those arguments because we don't believe them and we can't base an entire point of view on one argument. This is why it's good to stick to the absolute facts in the article itself, and ''maybe'' have a list of common points that say Fluffy and Kiara are the same and a list of common points that say Fluffy and Kiara are not the same. Something like that could go under the fan theories section that I was talking about. We just can't take a stance on something this controversial. We need to be neutral on the wiki. This is not the forum where you can blurt out your opinions. ~ [[User:Moka|Moka]] 13:53, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
::::::Trailers to movies aren't quite official sources? But of course they are as they're made by the same production team / for the same profuction. Does someone honestly think they'd just release an official trailer for the world to see and then go making Fluffy into someone they don't show nor mention anywehere? Sometimes common sense is a good friend to confusing facts: they released the official trailer making it seem like Fluffy is Kiara and then their film indeed introduces only Kiara with no references to any other cub. Resulting in the fact that in the movie universe Kiara has been blended into Fluffy whereas no other cub has ever been blended into Fluffy. Fluffy = Kiara = fact. --[[User:Superbabysimba|Superbabysimba]] 13 April 2011 (PDT)
:::::::Trailers are made to show off the movie they're advertising. They are usually put together by a marketing team before the production team is even done editing the film. Yes, it is obvious that Kiara was intended to be Fluffy, you don't need to prove that to me, we're not debating that. We're debating the worthiness of a cheaply made direct-to-video movie trailer. The point is, we can't take a stance on such a thing because we don't have proof -- we only have evidence. ~ [[User:Moka|Moka]] 14:48, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
::::::::Look, aren't we after ''the facts'' here? And shouldn't we thus regard ''the facts'' from ''each most official source available'' and base the information on ''them combined'' in order to provide as factually informative article as possible?
::::::::For Kiara the sequel film is the tier 1 canon: The film's ''fact'' is that her design and ceremony are different from Fluffy's, but just as much a ''fact'' in it is that it doesn't show or mention anyone else but Kiara. So we need to look into the next most official source to find the most ''factual'' answer to the risen question. In lack of a commentary track from the creators the official trailer becomes the tier 2 canon: and its ''facts'' are that there's Fluffy and no infant Kiara from the film, and that there's cub Kiara but no other cub. Great, now we've reagrded all the ''official facts'' from both most crucial canon tiers available. And it seriously can not be denied that ''the most'' official identity to Fluffy ''is'' Kiara. Maybe that's what the paragraph should say? Instead of "...are supposed to be the same" it could say "the most official identity is Kiara"? --[[User:Superbabysimba|Superbabysimba]] 14 April 2011 (PDT)
:::::::::Wikipedia isn't for what is MOST official, it's for what IS official. And saying Kiara is Fluffy is not official. As Moka said, just because Fluffy was used in a cheap trailer for a direct-to-vhs movie, doesn't prove anything. Most trailers actually AREN'T made by the creators, but a marketing team. I know this as a fact, because I'm taking a marketing class right now. --[[User:Wildsimba|Wildsimba]] 18:58, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
:::::::::Although those are practically saying the same thing, yes it should be reworded that way. Yes we're seeking the facts, but you're mistaking evidence for proof even when there is evidence for the opposing side. What's happening now in the controversial articles is called counter-productive edit warring, and if it keeps going on, I'm going to lock the articles from non-administrators. And for the last time, WS. It's called The Lion King Wiki, not Wikipedia. It's a separate site that runs the same software as Wikipedia >.> ~ [[User:Moka|Moka]] 19:08, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
::::::::::LOL whatevs. BTW, the first thing I told you you should do is lock the articles from non-admins, but yet you didn't listen to me, and look at the where the articles are headed. :P --[[User:Wildsimba|Wildsimba]] 19:16, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
:::::::::::Sorry for once again overestimating people's capacity to collaborate. ~ [[User:Moka|Moka]] 19:26, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
::::::::::::Wasn't a lack for me trying. I kept posting on the talk page, but everyone kept continuing to edit the page, when I kept asking them to discuss it in the talk page. I was willing to collaborate, but noone else seemed to want to. >.> --[[User:Wildsimba|Wildsimba]] 19:30, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
:::::::::::::''"Wikipedia isn't for what is MOST official, it's for what IS official."'' This isn't Wikipedia. And anyway - what is MOST official is part of what IS official and thus should be mentioned. And what is MOST official is the MOST essential matter when talking about ''facts'', so we should not dismiss/hide the most official just because some people don't like what it means. ''The most'' official identity is Kiara because no other identity has been given to it ''in the movie universe'' which is the most official part of this fandom. Sorry, but so long as only a genderless Fluffy and a girl Kiara are mentioned in the official movie universe and only Fluffy and Kiara have been blended in official footage for the movie universe, it doesn't take guessing to figure out who Fluffy is in the movies. Kiara is Fluffy's most official identity as a fact. If you don't want that to be mentioned, then also Kopa and any book references should be removed too and only the canon movie footage and commentary track talked about. But then this article would become a total stub because there are more facts to Fluffy these days than just the canon. --[[User:Superbabysimba|Superbabysimba]] 14 April 2011 (PDT)

Seeing as how were having "small" confictions about this page I decided to jump in and voice what I think we should do; 1. Immediately lock the page to further edits until we have everything sorted out 2. Only put in facts and not include any theorys in any of our articles (this one should be a givin anyway) 3. anything that isnt said or stated by the offical company can not be taken as cannon unless someone offical does approve it and lastly 4. I think everything below appearance is too much just guessing and not enough fact and should be removed from the artical. Thoughts --[[User:Axx1000|Axx1000]] 23:28, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
:I agree. I've locked it until we can sort this out. By the way everyone this is Axx1000, he is an administrator here. saayyyy hhiiii ~ [[User:Moka|Moka]] 23:41, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
::I wouldn't remove ''everything'' below appearance. Unless you want this article to end up as a total stub. As there are more facts to Fluffy than just the canon. The ''Girl or boy?'' section might as well be removed as it seems trivial as it is mostly theorizing and whatever facts lurk in there do come up in the ''Who is Fluffy, really?'' section - and in that section as it currently reads, I don't see any guessing. I see nothing that isn't enough fact. Because every single bit in that section is factually true ''and'' can be verified by looking into online discussions, the Laserdisc release, the book series' covers, the end credits of the first movie (which don't have the books' authors included as in the books were not written by the film's makers), the sequel's end credits, the movies themselves... And it is also a solid fact there is said rumour about the sequel's production development and that it hasn't been proven official yet. And it is also a solid fact that Kiara is Fluffy's most official identity and that still some people think Fluffy is someone else. So, Axx1000, what exactly is guessing to you and not enough a fact about the ''Who Fluffy is, really?'' section? The only thing at the moment I see as sensible to remove from that section is the rumour bit as long as it indeed is just a rumour and isn't proven with official source evidence. --[[User:Superbabysimba|Superbabysimba]] 14 April 2011 (PDT)
::Obviously, not everyone agrees with you on what is official, and what is not. Otherwise, the article would be open. I say you just leave it to the admins to fix it up before you go ahead proposing changes, because the article still hasn't at all been edited by them. Let them do their jobs. Find another article to edit for now. oh, and hi Axx1000, even though I already knew you were the other admin here. :P --[[User:Wildsimba|Wildsimba]] 09:48, 14 April 2011 (PDT)
:::Well, I thought that what The Walt Disney Company calls official (such as the official trailer of the sequel film) is what matters most in these articles and not what the fans think is official. As in I though these articles are supposed to base on official matters and facts and not fan point of views. Also, excuse me for misunderstanding that only admins are allowed to discuss this article's future. Obviously I am not trying nor able to edit this article - I was just throwing in suggestions and thoughts for the admins to consider. I'll shut up now then, if this is not what was supposed to be done. --[[User:Superbabysimba|Superbabysimba]] 14 April 2011 (PDT)
::::I wasn't saying that to ask you to shut up, I was just simply suggesting you not suggest anything currently, because for one, we don't want all our issues to continue to be conflicting. There's a lot of things in the Fluffy article that were never officially stated by the creators of the films, but are just assumptions that were your own. I'm just merely suggesting you let the admins do their job. They already stated in here exactly what they were wanting to do, and as far as I'm concerned, you should let them just do it without a fight. Whenever the article is open again (if it ever is), then you can start kicking up suggesting, but as for now, just let them get the issue sorted out. --[[User:Wildsimba|Wildsimba]] 16:47, 14 April 2011 (PDT)
:::::I was/am not trying to distract the admins from doing their job. As suggesting through misunderstanding is not fighting, it's just suggesting. They spoke of "we" but that could've meant MLK in general and not just the admins. And I thought they locked the article so that just anyone could not edit it until "we" (which I mistook for MLK in general) have sorted it out. Because as it is now, anyone - even non-registered members - are allowed to edit if an article isn't protected like this one is now, and there were trolling and privacy violating edits by registered members too. So excuse me for doing what I thought was my right (as in to throw suggestions.) And yes, I'm annoyed at the moment because if I did wrong by replying to this discussion started by the admins, I think it would've been the admins' place to poke me about it and not WildSimba's. Also, excuse me for saying but if the admins indeed have suddenly reserved all the rights to edit or even discuss the article's future, it kinda takes away from the point of a Wiki.

:::::If the admins indeed have reserved it, Moka please tell me so and I'll shut up. As for now: The last time I checked the film contnet was the ultimate canon in the fandom and not just the Company's out-loud words. And the last time I checked official source did not need the Company's out-loud words but was considered something with Disney's label on it, and the sequel's trailer has it and it was even released on a VHS with Disney's label on it. So, forgive me saying but I feel like you guys are trying to make the official matters far more complicated than they really are or need to be, and all because some people can't take the official facts related to/about Fluffy's character. I feel this way because I don't know of this kind of "oh no that's not fact/official enough" even though that something is from a movie/its end credits/official trailer/official book/its covers, happening with any other article. --[[User:Superbabysimba|Superbabysimba]] 15 April 2011 (PDT)
::::::"''I swear, if as much effort was put into the other articles as was just put into this Fluffy article the past few weeks, we'd have a lot done. Lol. That's why we should consult the talk page before making huge edits like WS said''." Moka said that earlier in this convo, if you can remember corectly. He was obviously hinting we need to stop clinging to this article, and go to another, so we can get a lot more done. The admins locked the aritlce out from editing, so what would make you think they were at all reffering to "We" as everyone? If they wanted all our opinions still, they wouldn't of locked the aritlce. --[[User:Wildsimba|Wildsimba]] 23:58, 15 April 2011 (PDT)
:::::::Yes, I do remember that but it seems a general statement that we should discuss articles before making huge changes and that he wishes other articles ''too'' were given as much efforts as this has got - not saying that we should ''completely'' stop with this article. And again, I thought they locked this because these articles are open for editing to any anonymous person and people wouldn't do the discussing but just edited however they felt like. As in locked so that no one could actually ''edit'' this so that all the editors - including us - would sort out what to do with this article by discussing this on this talk page. See, there are more than one way to interpret the admin actions and words, so if they wished us to completely abandon this article and work on this only among the staff members, they should've literally said so. Also, shouldn't the "discuss huge changes before making them" apply to the staff too? And it's not really discussing if everyone who isn't part of the staff is forbid to throw suggestions and opinions on the matter even though there are tons of others involved in the project. As far as I know this staff isn't that unfair, which is also why I interpret "we" as all of us, that we users are allowed to discuss this article's future with the staff. Because they own the Wiki in general but not any specific article contributed to it, unless I'm horribly misunderstood the point of a Wiki. --[[User:Superbabysimba|Superbabysimba]] 16 April 2011 (PDT)

Talk:Fluffy

2011-04-16T11:16:14Z

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Do we have a link to the SP trailer that showed the original celebration? If so, it would be great to cite that as a source. ~ [[User:Moka|Moka]] 10:26, 8 April 2011 (PDT)
:Maybe http://homepage.mac.com/maanerud/movies/simbapridetrailer.mov ? --[[User:Nitrol|Nitrol]] 10:52, 8 April 2011 (PDT)
::Cool, they used the original version of He Lives in You :) I'll cite this video in the article. Nice find! ~ [[User:Moka|Moka]] 11:26, 8 April 2011 (PDT)

Not to be rude, but perhaps before undoing the entire edit I made, you should post what you think is wrong on the edit page. Obviously, the paragraph before on the page was very opinionated, which is why I revised it. Remember, that all the articles need to stay neutral of any opinion. Still took out a few things, please use the talk page before editing further, that's what the page is for. --[[User:Wildsimba|Wildsimba]] 15:32, 8 April 2011 (PDT)
:I agree -- The articles must stay neutral of opinion. I don't think the article should take a stance on who Fluffy is ''supposed'' to be or other external elements such as that. It should focus on Fluffy's scope: the brief 3 seconds we see him/her and the references to him/her such as the statement by the film makers and the SP trailer. You guys need to work together to bring the article to an agreeable neutral state, where bare bone facts are laid out. There ''can'' be fan speculation sections, but they need to be done even more professionally. They need to be common theories, concise statements, and courteous to other points of view. ~ [[User:Moka|Moka]] 21:40, 8 April 2011 (PDT)

== Actually ==

SBS, there is an official concept sketch from the production of SP that proves they were considering Chaka as a character. ~ [[User:Moka|Moka]] 13:14, 12 April 2011 (PDT)
:He thought Chaka wasn't? --[[User:Wildsimba|Wildsimba]] 15:35, 12 April 2011 (PDT)
::Actually I haven't found anything to support Chaka. The concept sketch I was thinking about was for Shani. Sorry about that. ~ [[User:Moka|Moka]] 17:27, 12 April 2011 (PDT)
:::Huh? Chaka does have a concept sketch, it's on the actual DVD for the movie. --[[User:Wildsimba|Wildsimba]] 17:48, 12 April 2011 (PDT)
::::This is the file I was thinking of: [[Image:Shani.jpg]] If you find another concept sketch with Chaka labeled in it, then share it. But I've never seen something like this for Chaka. ~ [[User:Moka|Moka]] 20:22, 12 April 2011 (PDT)
:::::Huh? I've never even seen that picture before. They did show concept art for Chaka on the DVD though, if I can find it. --[[User:Wildsimba|Wildsimba]] 10:02, 13 April 2011 (PDT)

== Uhhm, okay. ==

This article is kinda like a TL;DR now. Especially the "Boy, or Girl?" section. Can we perhaps take out a few details, that are over analyzing things? I tried reading it, but hardly understood it, because half the section is talking about dark ear rings, and it's like... What? --[[User:Wildsimba|Wildsimba]] 10:26, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
:I doubt it's confusing for a completely new reader. And I'd think if the fan arguments are to be kept in it'd be best to take in all the facts from the film instead of arguing with just a few of them as if they were all there is to it. If it's gotten confusing, I suggest we just ditch the fan arguments completely and be satisfied with what the commentary track and documentaries say and how the sequel film confirms the fruit juice mattter to relate to the gender. As in that we wouldn't throw in any fan point of views whatsoever into it when it comes to the appearance. --[[User:Superbabysimba|Superbabysimba]] 13 April 2011 (PDT)
::Okay well first of all, the fruit juice thing doesn't prove anything. Most likely, the film makers didn't care enough to have the events in the exact same order during the ceremony. Or, maybe the order doesn't matter at all, and as long as the cub is anointed and presented everyone's happy. Rafiki could've anointed Fluffy after the presentation. To me, the fruit juice argument is just another theory that is dependent on too many opinions. Just because it's your theory doesn't make it fact. That aside, if this article is just going to be filled with random theories like "Timon bit Zira's ear" I think it might be best to just take them all out and stick to the absolute facts and what we know for certain. There can maybe be a fan theories section put in later but right now we apparently can't handle it. ~ [[User:Moka|Moka]] 12:38, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
:::I only added in the "timon bit Zira's ear" because it is actually a fan theory I've heard quite a bit, so it's not really a random theory. But yeah, I agree all the fan theorys just be left out for now, INCLUDING the fruit juice theory, as well as your theorys that Kiara is Fluffy. These are NOT fact, and if we're going to keep it factual, those don't need to be there. Also, for now on, I think we should post on the talk page before editing a controversial article like Kopa or Fluffy, we all need to be at a equal playing field for this wiki to work out. So if everyone agrees, that'd be the point in which you edit the article. It's much more appreciated if you discuss something first, though of course minor edits don't matter, just if your going to change some larger then a typo, it's best to ask an opinion just before you edit in, because you never know, they could prove you wrong. --[[User:Wildsimba|Wildsimba]] 13:10, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
::::Look, I didn't mean that my theory makes the fruit juice relation a fact for the canon cub's original means. Heck, I'm absolutely sure the canon creators just didn't give a rat's bum about how they designed the cub in any way. But I was suggesting the fruit juice detail to be pointed out because it's significance is official. As in, it became officially significant by the official sequel's makers using Fluffy in their official footage (the official trailer) and then making the fruit juice detail to be about the gender in the movie itself. As in, the fruit juice's significance isn't ''canon'' for Fluffy's gender but it most certainly is ''official'' for Fluffy's gender. This is also why Fluffy being Kiara in the official movie universe is a fact. It would be debatable if the sequel's official trailer didn't have Fluffy in it but it does, or if the trailer had Fluffy, Kiara and some otehr cub but it has only Fluffy and Kiara. --[[User:Superbabysimba|Superbabysimba]] 13 April 2011 (PDT)
:::::I swear, if as much effort was put into the other articles as was just put into this Fluffy article the past few weeks, we'd have a lot done. Lol. That's why we should consult the talk page before making huge edits like WS said. Also, the point you're trying to make about the fruit juice is still a theory. The trailers to movies aren't quite official sources. They occur before the final product is released. It doesn't make anything a fact on its own, and if we took the same approach with other things we would get confused very quickly. The fact that Fluffy was in the SP trailer should ''attribute'' to the argument that Fluffy and Kiara are the same cub. There are valid arguments to show that Fluffy and Kiara are not the same cub as well and we can't just hide those arguments because we don't believe them and we can't base an entire point of view on one argument. This is why it's good to stick to the absolute facts in the article itself, and ''maybe'' have a list of common points that say Fluffy and Kiara are the same and a list of common points that say Fluffy and Kiara are not the same. Something like that could go under the fan theories section that I was talking about. We just can't take a stance on something this controversial. We need to be neutral on the wiki. This is not the forum where you can blurt out your opinions. ~ [[User:Moka|Moka]] 13:53, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
::::::Trailers to movies aren't quite official sources? But of course they are as they're made by the same production team / for the same profuction. Does someone honestly think they'd just release an official trailer for the world to see and then go making Fluffy into someone they don't show nor mention anywehere? Sometimes common sense is a good friend to confusing facts: they released the official trailer making it seem like Fluffy is Kiara and then their film indeed introduces only Kiara with no references to any other cub. Resulting in the fact that in the movie universe Kiara has been blended into Fluffy whereas no other cub has ever been blended into Fluffy. Fluffy = Kiara = fact. --[[User:Superbabysimba|Superbabysimba]] 13 April 2011 (PDT)
:::::::Trailers are made to show off the movie they're advertising. They are usually put together by a marketing team before the production team is even done editing the film. Yes, it is obvious that Kiara was intended to be Fluffy, you don't need to prove that to me, we're not debating that. We're debating the worthiness of a cheaply made direct-to-video movie trailer. The point is, we can't take a stance on such a thing because we don't have proof -- we only have evidence. ~ [[User:Moka|Moka]] 14:48, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
::::::::Look, aren't we after ''the facts'' here? And shouldn't we thus regard ''the facts'' from ''each most official source available'' and base the information on ''them combined'' in order to provide as factually informative article as possible?
::::::::For Kiara the sequel film is the tier 1 canon: The film's ''fact'' is that her design and ceremony are different from Fluffy's, but just as much a ''fact'' in it is that it doesn't show or mention anyone else but Kiara. So we need to look into the next most official source to find the most ''factual'' answer to the risen question. In lack of a commentary track from the creators the official trailer becomes the tier 2 canon: and its ''facts'' are that there's Fluffy and no infant Kiara from the film, and that there's cub Kiara but no other cub. Great, now we've reagrded all the ''official facts'' from both most crucial canon tiers available. And it seriously can not be denied that ''the most'' official identity to Fluffy ''is'' Kiara. Maybe that's what the paragraph should say? Instead of "...are supposed to be the same" it could say "the most official identity is Kiara"? --[[User:Superbabysimba|Superbabysimba]] 14 April 2011 (PDT)
:::::::::Wikipedia isn't for what is MOST official, it's for what IS official. And saying Kiara is Fluffy is not official. As Moka said, just because Fluffy was used in a cheap trailer for a direct-to-vhs movie, doesn't prove anything. Most trailers actually AREN'T made by the creators, but a marketing team. I know this as a fact, because I'm taking a marketing class right now. --[[User:Wildsimba|Wildsimba]] 18:58, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
:::::::::Although those are practically saying the same thing, yes it should be reworded that way. Yes we're seeking the facts, but you're mistaking evidence for proof even when there is evidence for the opposing side. What's happening now in the controversial articles is called counter-productive edit warring, and if it keeps going on, I'm going to lock the articles from non-administrators. And for the last time, WS. It's called The Lion King Wiki, not Wikipedia. It's a separate site that runs the same software as Wikipedia >.> ~ [[User:Moka|Moka]] 19:08, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
::::::::::LOL whatevs. BTW, the first thing I told you you should do is lock the articles from non-admins, but yet you didn't listen to me, and look at the where the articles are headed. :P --[[User:Wildsimba|Wildsimba]] 19:16, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
:::::::::::Sorry for once again overestimating people's capacity to collaborate. ~ [[User:Moka|Moka]] 19:26, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
::::::::::::Wasn't a lack for me trying. I kept posting on the talk page, but everyone kept continuing to edit the page, when I kept asking them to discuss it in the talk page. I was willing to collaborate, but noone else seemed to want to. >.> --[[User:Wildsimba|Wildsimba]] 19:30, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
:::::::::::::''"Wikipedia isn't for what is MOST official, it's for what IS official."'' This isn't Wikipedia. And anyway - what is MOST official is part of what IS official and thus should be mentioned. And what is MOST official is the MOST essential matter when talking about ''facts'', so we should not dismiss/hide the most official just because some people don't like what it means. ''The most'' official identity is Kiara because no other identity has been given to it ''in the movie universe'' which is the most official part of this fandom. Sorry, but so long as only a genderless Fluffy and a girl Kiara are mentioned in the official movie universe and only Fluffy and Kiara have been blended in official footage for the movie universe, it doesn't take guessing to figure out who Fluffy is in the movies. Kiara is Fluffy's most official identity as a fact. If you don't want that to be mentioned, then also Kopa and any book references should be removed too and only the canon movie footage and commentary track talked about. But then this article would become a total stub because there are more facts to Fluffy these days than just the canon. --[[User:Superbabysimba|Superbabysimba]] 14 April 2011 (PDT)

Seeing as how were having "small" confictions about this page I decided to jump in and voice what I think we should do; 1. Immediately lock the page to further edits until we have everything sorted out 2. Only put in facts and not include any theorys in any of our articles (this one should be a givin anyway) 3. anything that isnt said or stated by the offical company can not be taken as cannon unless someone offical does approve it and lastly 4. I think everything below appearance is too much just guessing and not enough fact and should be removed from the artical. Thoughts --[[User:Axx1000|Axx1000]] 23:28, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
:I agree. I've locked it until we can sort this out. By the way everyone this is Axx1000, he is an administrator here. saayyyy hhiiii ~ [[User:Moka|Moka]] 23:41, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
::I wouldn't remove ''everything'' below appearance. Unless you want this article to end up as a total stub. As there are more facts to Fluffy than just the canon. The ''Girl or boy?'' section might as well be removed as it seems trivial as it is mostly theorizing and whatever facts lurk in there do come up in the ''Who is Fluffy, really?'' section - and in that section as it currently reads, I don't see any guessing. I see nothing that isn't enough fact. Because every single bit in that section is factually true ''and'' can be verified by looking into online discussions, the Laserdisc release, the book series' covers, the end credits of the first movie (which don't have the books' authors included as in the books were not written by the film's makers), the sequel's end credits, the movies themselves... And it is also a solid fact there is said rumour about the sequel's production development and that it hasn't been proven official yet. And it is also a solid fact that Kiara is Fluffy's most official identity and that still some people think Fluffy is someone else. So, Axx1000, what exactly is guessing to you and not enough a fact about the ''Who Fluffy is, really?'' section? The only thing at the moment I see as sensible to remove from that section is the rumour bit as long as it indeed is just a rumour and isn't proven with official source evidence. --[[User:Superbabysimba|Superbabysimba]] 14 April 2011 (PDT)
::Obviously, not everyone agrees with you on what is official, and what is not. Otherwise, the article would be open. I say you just leave it to the admins to fix it up before you go ahead proposing changes, because the article still hasn't at all been edited by them. Let them do their jobs. Find another article to edit for now. oh, and hi Axx1000, even though I already knew you were the other admin here. :P --[[User:Wildsimba|Wildsimba]] 09:48, 14 April 2011 (PDT)
:::Well, I thought that what The Walt Disney Company calls official (such as the official trailer of the sequel film) is what matters most in these articles and not what the fans think is official. As in I though these articles are supposed to base on official matters and facts and not fan point of views. Also, excuse me for misunderstanding that only admins are allowed to discuss this article's future. Obviously I am not trying nor able to edit this article - I was just throwing in suggestions and thoughts for the admins to consider. I'll shut up now then, if this is not what was supposed to be done. --[[User:Superbabysimba|Superbabysimba]] 14 April 2011 (PDT)
::::I wasn't saying that to ask you to shut up, I was just simply suggesting you not suggest anything currently, because for one, we don't want all our issues to continue to be conflicting. There's a lot of things in the Fluffy article that were never officially stated by the creators of the films, but are just assumptions that were your own. I'm just merely suggesting you let the admins do their job. They already stated in here exactly what they were wanting to do, and as far as I'm concerned, you should let them just do it without a fight. Whenever the article is open again (if it ever is), then you can start kicking up suggesting, but as for now, just let them get the issue sorted out. --[[User:Wildsimba|Wildsimba]] 16:47, 14 April 2011 (PDT)
:::::I was/am not trying to distract the admins from doing their job. As suggesting through misunderstanding is not fighting, it's just suggesting. They spoke of "we" but that could've meant MLK in general and not just the admins. And I thought they locked the article so that just anyone could not edit it until "we" (which I mistook for MLK in general) have sorted it out. Because as it is now, anyone - even non-registered members - are allowed to edit if an article isn't protected like this one is now, and there were trolling and privacy violating edits by registered members too. So excuse me for doing what I thought was my right (as in to throw suggestions.) And yes, I'm annoyed at the moment because if I did wrong by replying to this discussion started by the admins, I think it would've been the admins' place to poke me about it and not WildSimba's. Also, excuse me for saying but if the admins indeed have suddenly reserved all the rights to edit or even discuss the article's future, it kinda takes away from the point of a Wiki.

:::::If the admins indeed have reserved it, Moka please tell me so and I'll shut up. As for now: The last time I checked the film contnet was the ultimate canon in the fandom and not just the Company's out-loud words. And the last time I checked official source did not need the Company's out-loud words but was considered something with Disney's label on it, and the sequel's trailer has it and it was even released on a VHS with Disney's label on it. So, forgive me saying but I feel like you guys are trying to make the official matters far more complicated than they really are or need to be, and all because some people can't take the official facts related to/about Fluffy's character. I feel this way because I don't know of this kind of "oh no that's not fact/official enough" even though that something is from a movie/its end credits/official trailer/official book/its covers, happening with any other article. --[[User:Superbabysimba|Superbabysimba]] 15 April 2011 (PDT)
::::::"''I swear, if as much effort was put into the other articles as was just put into this Fluffy article the past few weeks, we'd have a lot done. Lol. That's why we should consult the talk page before making huge edits like WS said''." Moka said that earlier in this convo, if you can remember corectly. He was obviously hinting we need to stop clinging to this article, and go to another, so we can get a lot more done. The admins locked the aritlce out from editing, so what would make you think they were at all reffering to "We" as everyone? If they wanted all our opinions still, they wouldn't of locked the aritlce. --[[User:Wildsimba|Wildsimba]] 23:58, 15 April 2011 (PDT)
:::::::Yes, I do remember that but it seems a general statement that we should discuss articles before making huge changes and that he wishes other articles ''too'' were given as much efforts as this has got - not saying that we should ''completely'' stop with this article. And again, I thought they locked this because these articles are open for editing to any anonymous person and people wouldn't do the discussing but just edited however they felt like. As in locked so that no one could actually ''edit'' this so that all the editors - including us - would sort out what to do with this article by discussing this on this talk page. See, there are more than one way to interpret the admin actions and words, so if they wished us to completely abandon this article and work on this only among the staff members, they should've literally said so. Also, shouldn't the "discuss huge changes before making them" apply to the staff too? And it's not really discussing if everyone who isn't part of the staff is forbid to throw suggestions and opinions on the matter even though there are tons of others involved in the project. As far as I know this staff isn't that unfair, which is also why I interpret "we" as all of us, that we users are allowed to discuss this article's future with the staff. --[[User:Superbabysimba|Superbabysimba]] 16 April 2011 (PDT)

Talk:Fluffy

2011-04-15T12:06:43Z

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Talk:Fluffy

2011-04-14T22:22:57Z

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Simba

2011-04-14T22:16:58Z

Superbabysimba: I think this is what the person who edited "step-father", really meant.

{{Infobox character
| Img = Simba.jpg
| Img_size = 180px
| Img_capt = Simba
| Nicknames =
| Meaning = Lion
| Species = Lion
| Appearances = [[The Lion King]], [[The Lion King II: Simba's Pride]], [[The Lion King 1½]]
| Voice_Actors = '''The Lion King (film)''' - Jonathan Taylor Thomas - (cub), Matthew Broderick - (adult), Jason Weaver - (cub singing voice), Joseph Williams - (adult singing voice), Evan Saucedo - ("The Morning Report") (''''See all at bottom of page'''')
| Close_Relations = Mate of [[Nala]], Son of [[Mufasa]] and [[Sarabi]], Nephew of [[Scar]], Father of [[Kiara]], Step-Father of [[Kovu]], Son-in-Law of [[Sarafina]], Father-in-Law of [[Kovu]].
}}

{{Quotelink|http://www.lionking.org/sounds/WAV/ThatHairballIsMySon.wav|That hairball is my son, and your future king.|Mufasa to Scar, when they're talking about Simba}}
'''Simba''' is the main character in the [[The Lion King (film)|Lion King]] series.

==Appearance==
As a young cub, Simba was golden-brown, with a tuft of fur on his head. In his adolescent years he started to grow more head hair. Now an adult, Simba is stronger and has a fully grown red-brown mane that is lighter than his father's.

==Personality==
{{Dialogue1link|http://www.lionking.org/sounds/WAV/BeforeSunriseHesYourSon.wav|Sarabi|Your son is awake.|Mufasa|Before sunrise, he's your son.|[[Sarabi]] and [[Mufasa]] when Simba is trying to awake his father}}
As a cub, Simba is curious, adventurous, and all too ready to become king. He is known to overstep his authority and attempt to order around the other creatures of Pride Rock. He suffers serious emotional trauma when Scar, his uncle, murders Mufasa. He didn't know this however, and Scar convinces Simba that he was responsible for his father's death, and says to flee from the Pridelands, never to return. He later picks up a happy, carefree lifestyle with Timon and Pumbaa in an idyllic jungle paradise.

As an adolescent, he has long since forgotten his old life, and once again acts as over-confident and adventurous as he did as a cub. Later, when Simba learns that Scar is ruling the Pridelands unjustly, he faces his past and returns to take his place as the rightful king. By having the responsibilities of being a king thrust upon him so suddenly, Simba is forced to mature greatly.

As a ruler and as a father, Simba makes good decisions and is more down-to-earth. However, he still retains some of his childhood innocence in the way he rules. Rather than rule by law and justice, Simba follows his heart and trusts the counsel of his friends, making him a very beloved king.

==Information==
===The Lion King===

====Cub Simba====
{{Quotelink|http://www.lionking.org/sounds/WAV/ILaughInTheFaceOfDanger.wav|Danger? Ha! I walk on the wild side. I laugh in the face of danger!|Simba, at the [[Elephant Graveyard]]}}
[[Image:Babysimba.JPG|thumb|left|Simba as an infant being anointed by [[Rafiki]]]]

In the beginning of the first film, Simba is an infant curled up in his mother's paws during the royal ceremony, where all cubs of the king and queen are presented from the summit of Pride Rock. For the ceremony, [[Rafiki]] the baboon cracks open a gourd and  makes a red mark on Simba's forehead. He sprinkles sand on the newborn's head, causing baby Simba to sneeze. After his anointing, Rafiki picks him up and presents Simba to all the animals in the Pridelands who had gathered to see him.

Simba grows into a lively, playful cub. Waking up one morning at dawn, he begs his father to show him the whole kingdom. Simba and his father climb to the top of Pride Rock, where Mufasa explains to his son that everything the light touches is their kingdom, and after his passing, Simba will become the new king. The cub questions the "shadowy place", and Mufasa explains that it is beyond their borders, so he must never go there. His father takes him walking through the [[Pridelands]] and Mufasa tells Simba about the "great Circle of Life"; that is, that every living thing is connected, "From the crawling ant to the leaping antelope" to quote Mufasa. As they are walking, [[Zazu]], Mufasa's major-domo, gives the king the morning report. Simba, bored, tries to practice pouncing. After some instruction from his father, Simba succeeds in pinning down Zazu. As Zazu is on his back, a gopher pops up and tells Zazu and Mufasa there are dangerous [[hyenas]] in the Pridelands. Mufasa leaves to deal with the threat, forbidding Simba to come with him.

[[Image:SmileSimba.png|200 px|left|thumb|Simba as a cub]]

Disappointed, Simba returns to Pride Rock to find his uncle [[Scar]]. He gleefully informs Scar that he's will one day be King of Pride Rock, irritating Scar, who unenthusiastically replies, "Forgive me for not leaping for joy- bad back you know." and his uncle eventually asks him whether his brother showed him what lies beyond the northern border; Simba admits that he didn't, and Scar acts relieved, saying only the bravest of lions go there. Objecting, Simba says he's brave and demands to know what's there. Accidentally on purpose, Scar lets slip that "An elephant graveyard is no place for a young prince," aware that Simba's curiosity will lead him there. Simba is excited at the prospect of an adventure, but promises his uncle that he won't visit the dreadful place.

Instead, Simba goes to his best friend [[Nala]] being bathed by her mother, [[Sarafina]], opposite his own mother, Sarabi; Simba tries to get Nala to accompany him somewhere, without giving away the location of their adventure. When asked where they are headed, he lies, "around the waterhole." Sarabi sends Zazu to accompany them, much to their dismay. On the way to the waterhole, Zazu makes a nostalgic comment on how the two are "betrothed, intended, affianced," meaning they are set to be mates and rule the Pridelands, but since they are just children, they find it too weird. The duo ditch Zazu by crushing him with a pile of animals set to Simba singing "I Just Can't Wait to Be King". The cubs tumble into the elephant graveyard, and after a quick exploration, Zazu catches up with the them before Shenzi, Banzai, and Ed show up. Simba tries to be brave in front of the hyenas, but realizing the danger, the cubs make a frantic effort to escape while Zazu alerts Mufasa, appearing to save the two cubs.

Going back to Pride Rock, Mufasa tells Simba he's very disappointed in him; Simba says he was trying to be brave like his father. After playing together under the sky, Mufasa talks to his son about the "Great Kings of the Past" looking down from the stars, and whenever he feels alone, the stars will always be there to guide him—and so will he.

The next day, Scar, who had been plotting to kill his brother and nephew to become king, takes Simba with him to a large gorge, saying his father has a surprise" for him. Simba begs his uncle to tell him what it is, but Scar walks away after teasing him about practicing his "little roar". Unknown to Simba, Scar signaled the hyenas to start a wildebeest stampede to chase the frightened herd down to the gorge below. While the cub practices his roar a little louder than usual, the wildebeest charge down the cliff face in the direction of Simba. Terrified, Simba runs for his life. Meanwhile, Scar runs to Mufasa panting Simba is in the stampede down in the gorge. Immediately, Mufasa runs to save his son, who desperately manages to jump and cling on to a branch while the wildebeest thunder below him. Just as his father arrives, a wildebeest collides with the branch and breaks it; Mufasa fights through the stampede to catch his son, then gets Simba to safety. Pulled back ito the crowd, the alpha lion fights and struggles and throws himself on to the ledge, clinging on for dear life. Seeing this, Simba runs to the top of the cliff. As he reaches the top, all he sees is his dad plummet into the stampede below, not knowing he was just thrown by Scar. He cries out and races down to the bottom of the gorge to find his father's body under the branch he was clinging to. Hoping that his father isn't dead, he tries to revive him. Knowing he's not waking up, he calls for help, but starts to cry and crawls under his father's fore paw.

Scar approaches and convinces him that he is responsible for the death of his father, since he roared and caused the stampede, but Scar really caused it. Asked what his mother would think, Simba doesn't know what to do, so Scar tells to run away and never return. Scampering away, Scar sends Shenzi, Banzai, and Ed once again to kill Simba. Panicked, scared, and now chased by the hyenas, he runs on some rocks up the gorge and comes out at the top of a steep cliff. With a patch of sharp thorns below, Simba has no choice but to jump down the cliff to escape the predators. He tumbles down and forces himself through, but the hyenas don't follow, thinking Simba is as good as dead out in the barren desert anyway.

Tired and dehydrated, Simba wanders into the desert; in the burning heat, he eventually faints. Waiting for him to die, vultures circle overhead, but a meerkat named [[Timon]] and a warthog named [[Pumbaa]] scare away the vultures and save the unconscious cub. They revive him and ask him if he's okay. He shakily replies, then starts to wander off; the two ask what he did, but Simba doesn't want to talk about it. Timon and Pumbaa take the cub into a jungle to teach him to forget the past and live by "Hakuna Matata", meaning "no worries." During the song "[[Hakuna Matata]]," Timon and Pumbaa have Simba eat bugs, explore his new home, and live without worry. The three walk across a log, which represents time elapse of a few years, during which Simba goes from a cub to a teenager to an adult.

====Adult Simba====
{{Dialogue2|Mufasa|Look inside yourself, Simba. You are more than what you have become. You must take your place in the Circle of Life.|Simba|How can I go back? I'm not who I used to be.|Mufasa|Remember who you are. You are my son, and the one true king.|[[Mufasa]]'s ghost and Simba}}
Growing up in the jungle, Simba learns to be carefree and forget all about his responsibilities. Although happy in the jungle, he feels homesick when stargazing with his friends, recalling what his father told him all those years ago when they looked up at the stars. He gets more upset when Timon's comments mock the Great Kings of the Past. Simba leaves to flop down on the rock, wishing his father was still alive.

[[Image:Annoyedsimba.jpg|thumb|left|Adult Simba annoyed with Rafiki]]

A few days later, Simba hears his two friends calling for help in the jungle and immediately rushes to help, finding himself face-to-face with an angry lioness. The lioness easily flips Simba onto his back, a move he recognizes from his childhood friend Nala. They rejoice, and Nala tells Simba he's the rightful King. Simba rejects his responsibility and refuses to go back, still thinking's he's guilty of killing his father; still, he comforts Nala as she struggles with the reality of him being alive after all those years. Enjoying a peaceful sunset evening together, playing "[[Can You Feel The Love Tonight]]," the two lions realize their past friendship has now blossomed into love. That evening, Nala tries to persuade Simba to go back to the Pridelands, but he refuses, which leads to an argument. Simba marches away from Nala and, in a grassy field, yells to the sky, "You said you would always be there for me! But you're not... it's because of me. It's my fault."

After this, Simba notices a baboon singing in a tree. Trying to get away from him, Simba goes to lie down away from the monkey; the baboon, the same one from Simba's birth ceremony years ago, refuses to leave him alone, so Simba asks who ''he'' is. Simba doesn't know anymore, and after the monkey chants in his ear, he says that Simba is Mufasa's boy. He chases Rafiki and asks if he knew his father, but Rafiki says he knows his father, and explains to Simba that Mufasa lives inside of him, showing him his reflection. Simba's reflection becomes the face of Mufasa; at this, Mufasa's spirit appears in the sky, which Simba recognizes, but Mufasa accuses his son of forgetting him. His father says he has forgotten his father and his own place in the Circle of Life. He reminds Simba that he is his son and the one true King, before telling him to "remember". Simba chases his father's disappearing form in the sky; Rafiki approaches Simba again and, through whacking him on the head with his stick, teaches him the lesson that even though things are in the past, they can still hurt, but you should learn form them. This time, Simba dodges Rakiki's whack and leaves to take back his place as king.

[[File:Simba2.jpg|thumb|200 px|Simba Reclaiming the Pridelands]]

He is shocked at the dry, barren condition the once green and fertile land is in. Simba trudges through the Pridelands, where he is met by Nala, Timon, and Pumbaa, come to help him fight. After a diversion from Timon and Pumbaa, Simba and Nala sneak past the hyenas and look at Pride Rock, where he instructs Nala to rally the lionesses and turns to find Scar. Hidden as his anger mounts by watching Scar strikes his mother, Simba runs out of hiding down to her side. Not recognizing him at first, Sarabi eventually realizes it is her son, who turns on his uncle. Trapped, Scar resorts to accusing Simba of killing Mufasa, and Simba doesn't deny it. With the lionesses watching, Scar corners Simba on the edge of Pride Rock's promontory; Simba slips but manages to cling on. Certain he has won, Scar whispers in his ear that ''he'' killed Mufasa. Filled with anger, Simba jumps off the edge to pins Scar to the ground and forces him to admit to the lionesses. Hyena's close in and the lionesses, now on Simba's side, fight back, but Simba loses Scar in the confusion. He chases him to the summit of Pride Rock, where Scar pleads for mercy and tries to blame the hyenas; the hyenas turn away in disgust and anger. Simba does not kill Scar, but repeats the words his uncle told him all those years ago: "Run. Run away, Scar; and never return." Scar skulks away, but suddenly turns around and throws burning embers into Simba's eyes. The two lions fight bitterly, until Scar knocks Simba to the ground, when finally, Simba uses Nala's trick and flips Scar over his head and down to the rock below. Simba looks down and sees Scar being killed by the hyenas he betrayed. [[File:Simba smiling.jpg|left|thumb|200px]]
[[Image:Simbaconcept.JPG|thumb|right|Concept sketch of Simba]]

After the battle, Simba greets his mother, Zazu, Nala, and the rest of the pride before Rafiki tells him that "It is time". Simba then climbs up Pride Rock and roars out over his kingdom while rain falls over the ended battle. Seasons later, the Pridelands have grown back green, and all the animals return to Pride Rock once again to welcome the birth of a new cub. Simba and Nala, along with Timon and Pumbaa, proudly look on as Rafiki holds their cub up for all the kingdom to see.

===The Lion King 1½===
[[Image:Simbacub1.5.JPG|thumb|Cub Simba in ''The Lion King 1 1/2'']]

During Timon and Pumbaa's first try at a new home, they saw Simba's birth ceremony. Although they had no interest in it, they came to witness the event anyways. The two later found a small cave in the Pridelands, which they lived in for a month or two until Simba and Nala singing "[[I Just Can't Wait to be King]]" drove them out. Although not seen, we can hear Simba say "I'm okay" after the animal pyramid falls down. Later, after [[Mufasa]] is murdered and Simba runs away from the Pridelands, he wanders around the desert feeling guilty thinking he killed his father. Simba collapses of fatigue and exhaustion, lying under the sun with buzzards circling overhead.

The cub is found by Timon and Pumbaa, who carry him to shade and water and eventually let him live in the jungle with them. Growing up without worries, Simba soon proves to be a difficult cub to handle and Timon and Pumbaa find it hard to be adoptive parents. Living carefree in the jungle forest, Simba gets into all kinds of mischief that his parents would have never allowed: jumping down from dangerously tall trees, swimming down steep and deadly waterfalls backwards, and spinning Timon around like a play toy. He also keeps Timon up all night having to go to the bathroom, wanting a drink of water, and needing the bathroom again. One night, Simba was awakened by a nightmare, probably involving his father's death.

[[Image:Simbateen1.5.JPG|thumb|left|Teen Simba in ''The Lion King 1 1/2'']]

A few months pass and Simba is now a teenage lion, who seems to beat Timon and Pumbaa at all kinds of alliterative bug eating contests, including the longest bug belch, slug swallowing, cricket crunching, grub gulping, maggot munching, as well as the snail slurping contest shown in the film. He has grown a small mane on his head and looks even more hot-headed than as a cub. Months or maybe a year later, Simba has now grown to an adult lion who enjoys his life with Timon and Pumbaa in the jungle. Simba had an interesting conversation with Pumbaa about dung beetles before Nala appears and chases Pumbaa, causing Simba to attack her; he later realizes it's his old childhood friend. In "Can You Feel the Love Tonight?", we see that Simba takes Nala on a romantic evening in the jungle, unknowingly hurting Timon while the meerkat attempts to split the two lovers up. After the familiar scenes of Simba arguing with Nala about whether or not he should return to the Pridelands to be the [[The Lion King(title)|Lion King]], Simba runs off and sees his father's ghost, although the timing is a lot shorter after the argument, happening almost instantly after he runs off. This could be counted as a mistake, although it was probably sped up for the convenience of the filmmakers, who wanted to move the film on.

There are also some new views of Simba fighting against Scar, including a shot of him chasing Scar up to the top of Pride Rock and a different angle of Simba slipping off the cliff when Scar corners him. Simba's leaping up and forcing the truth out of Scar about Mufasa's death is also seen at a new angle. Once the violence is over, Simba thanks Timon and Pumbaa for their help against the hyenas before he climbs Pride Rock, roaring for all of the Pridelands to know they have won.

[[Image:Simbaadult1.5.JPG|thumb|Adult Simba in ''The Lion King 1 1/2'']]

===The Lion King II: Simba's Pride===
Seasons later, all the animals, including giraffes, elephants, gazelles, and other African wildlife in the savannah, return to Pride Rock to welcome the birth of a new cub in the pride, Simba and Nala's daughter, [[Kiara]]. The [[The Lion King(title)|Lion King]] looks on proudly as Rafiki holds his baby cub up for all of his kingdom to see, just as his father, Mufasa, did when Simba himself was born.

As his daughter grows up, Simba turns out to be an extremely over-protective father. One time when Kiara goes off to play, he warns her to stay away from the [[Outlands]] and to stay on the path he's marked for her. Nala teases Simba about Kiara's likeness to Simba when he was a cub. Simba confesses his feeling to Nala about how much trouble they got themselves into. Nala assures him that Kiara will be fine; but he sends Timon and Pumbaa after her to watch her anyway.

After he realizes that Kiara has sneaked away from her babysitters, he goes out to get her, finding her near the outskirts of the Outlands with a Outsider cub, [[Kovu]] growling at her. He jumps in front of Kiara, protecting her; at the same time, [[Zira]] launches herself in front of her son. Simba snarls at her, and Zira mockingly gives cover-up for punishment for straying into the Pride Lands. Simba growls at her, "Take him and get out—We're finished here." Zira laughs menacingly, and replies, "Oh no, Simba; we have barely begun!" Simba takes Kiara and walks away. Simba reminds Kiara that she has got to be Queen, even though she may not want to be; he reminds her of the "Great Circle of Life'. He tells her that they are part of each other, and sings to her that they are "one".

[[Image:Babyaduly.JPG|thumb|left|Simba as a king]]
Years later on (Kiara's first hunt), Kiara pleads with her father to let her hunt on her own. Simba promises, but sends Timon and Pumbaa to watch her anyway. A few hours later, Simba paces nervously on Pride Rock, where Zazu reassures him that Kiara will be fine. Suddenly, Simba notices smoke on the horizon as Zira's plan goes into action. He and Nala races to Kiara, only to find her talking to Kovu. Simba is roaring menacingly at Kovu when Rafiki appears and brings up the fact that Kovu saved his daughter's life. When Simba asks him why, Kovu asks to join his pride. Simba refuses; but Zazu tells him that his father's law demands all debts be paid. In repayment for his daughter's life, Simba lets Kovu join the pride on judgment, but doesn't allow him to sleep with the pride. That night, Simba has a dream similar to the scenario in which his father was killed by his brother, Scar in the wildebeest stampede. In the dream, Simba tries to save his father, who is hanging on a cliff face. As he reaches down, he realizes that he is also on the cliff face, and Scar is looking over him as Scar grabs his paw. Mufasa slips away. Simba looks up to see Kovu instead of Scar; then Kovu lets Simba fall, and he wakes up out of his dream.

The next morning, Simba has a drink at the waterhole. Unknown to him, Kovu is behind him, ready to kill. Luckily, Kiara turns up wanting her hunting lesson, so Kovu is drawn away. That night, Simba looks down on Kiara and Kovu stargazing together, and asks his father for guidance. Nala then walks beside him and tells him to trust Kovu more. That evening, Simba lets Kovu sleep with the other lions in the cave.

The next morning, Simba asks Kovu to walk with him. He explains to Kovu his side of the story about Scar. As they are walking, Zira and the other Outsiders surround them. Simba angrily snarls at Kovu, thinking this was his plan. The Outsider lionesses close in around him and he manages to throw them off. He runs into a gorge and climbs up the dam. Just as he's climbing, [[Nuka]] grabs his ankles, pulling him down. Simba pushes himself up, dislodging a log which tumbles down and crushes Nuka. Simba escapes and weakly makes his way back to Pride Rock, where he manages to whisper to [[Kiara]] what happened, before fainting. He is then carried back to Pride Rock by [[Pumbaa]], where he wakes up.

When [[Kovu]] returns, asking for forgiveness, Simba does not believe Kovu had nothing to do with the attack. He exiles Kovu, to which Kiara pleads with him to reconsider. When he refuses, she angrily yells at him, "You will never be Mufasa!"

That night, the rain falls down, and Simba asks [[Timon]] and Pumbaa where Kiara is. Just as he finds out she is missing, [[Zazu]] informs him the Outsiders are on the attack. He commands Zazu to find Kiara and assembles the lionesses, ready for battle. When they approach the Outsiders, Simba gives[[ Zira]] a chance to go home. Zira tells Simba that she is already home, and commands her troops to attack. After a bitter battle, Zira jumps down off her rock, ready to attack Simba herself. Just as they are about to go into combat, Kiara jumps in front of her father. She reminds him that they are "one", and there is no point fighting. Simba understands, and as his father shines down from the clouds, he nuzzles his daughter. Zira orders her daughter [[Vitani]] to attack Simba; She refuses to do so, and crosses onto his side. Zira, realising she's losing, attempts one more time to attack Simba; as she jumps for him, Kiara jumps in her way. Shocked, Simba jumps down after them, just as Zira slips away into the water below. Simba reaches his daughter and helps her back up the cliff, where a worried Nala is waiting. When Kiara is reunited with Kovu, Simba studies him and admits he was wrong, and accepts Kovu and all the Outsiders into his pride.

At the end, Simba, Nala, Kiara, and Kovu all walk to the top of Pride Rock and roar over their kingdom. As they do so, the sky opens up, and Simba hears [[Mufasa]] say to him, "Well done, my son. We are one." Although a very minor role in this movie, it gives the viewers an insight into what Simba's life was like while he was with Timon and Pumbaa in the jungle. Simba banished the dark lions, who became known as Outsiders, to a deserted place referred to as the Outlands for supporting Scar. The hyenas ran off, probably due to lack of support.

Due to his paranoia of losing Kiara, Simba became uptight and overprotective. One day in her early childhood, Kiara had gone off to the Outlands, and Simba had to go rescue her, where he met Scar's mate Zira, who taunted Simba with the implication of the death of another cub. Simba merely took his daughter and left, and did not meet up with Zira again until some years later.

When Kiara finally became an adult, Simba reluctantly allowed her to go on a hunt alone. Up until then, he would always send out Timon and Pumbaa to watch her, which he did again while Kiara was hunting.

After the Outlanders, Nuka and Vitani had set the grassland on fire and Kovu began his staged rescue, Simba noticed that Kiara was in danger and went off to get her, meeting Kovu, who at the time had been trained to assassinate him. Simba, reserving judgement of Kovu, allowed him to follow him home.
After finally gaining enough trust for Kovu to take a personal walk with him, Simba was ambushed by the Outlanders. Assuming Kovu had set it up, Simba regained his hatred towards dark lions, and banished Kovu.
The death of Nuka, who had been crushed by a log Simba hack kicked on him, stirred up enough hatred from the Outlanders for a war to break out. Kiara had run away, and the Outlanders were now in the vicinity of Pride Rock, and coming for him. Durning the climax of the war, Kovu and Kiara returned, and convinced Simba to let go of his distrust and hated towards [[The Outsiders]]. Zira, however, didn't fare too well. The Outlanders joined forces with Simba's pridelanders, and Simba allowed Kovu to become his heir.

==Other Roles==

===The Lion King Musical===
[[Image:TLKoB-YoungSimba.JPG|thumb|left|Scott Irby-Ranniar as Young Simba in "The Lion King on Broadway"]]
[[Image:Simbabroadway.jpg|thumb|right|Jason Raize as Adult Simba in "The Lion King on Broadway"]]

Following the success of ''The Lion King'', Julie Taymor created the musical ''The Lion King''. In this production, we have an insight into events that were not explored in the original film, as the main character, Simba, young and old, is in nearly all the musical numbers. But in the Broadway production, we see a slightly extended role, which includes scenes like Timon being trapped above a lake full of crocodiles, which was Simba's fault; and the song "Endless Night". Jason Raize plays Adult Simba, and Scott Irby-Ranniar plays Young Simba in the original Broadway cast of ''The Lion King''.

===Early Production===
In early sketches, Simba still has the same liveliness and playfulness as the Simba we see in the film, although the style changes when it came to Simba's final design. The early sketches show Simba's character and characteristics such are his earmarks. These sketches also have an original "Disney style" about them, which is softened down in the final designs of all the lions in ''The Lion King''. Interestingly enough, in the sketch on the right, Simba has cheeks similar to those of the Outsiders in ''Simba's Pride''.

An original storyline for Simba that was dropped was Teen Simba saving Nala's little brother Mheetu from a stampede in the gorge.

===Kingdom Hearts II===
In Kingdom Hearts II, when the main protagonists (Sora, Donald Duck and Goofy) explore the jungle in the Pride Lands world, Simba almost attacks them, not recognizing them as they were turned into animals due to Sora's enchanted clothes. Initially, Simba refuses to go back to the Pride Lands, stating he was "not who he used to be." His father, Mufasa, comes to him and tells him to go back; afterwards, he accompanies Sora, Donald, and Goofy to Pride Rock for a climactic battle with both the hyenas Shenzi, Banzai and Ed and Scar, who had been turned into a Heartless because of his anger and jealousy.

[[Image:Simba Char.jpg|thumb|right|Concept art for Simba from ''Kingdom Hearts II'']]
Sora left after the successful coronation of Simba. When Sora returned, Simba had been driven into doubt by rumors of Scar's ghost. He later gained confidence and stood up to Scar's ghost, which was a manifestation of Simba's uncertainty and fear.

Simba has a move with Sora that causes huge rocks to appear and strike opponents, after which he slashes foes - ending, finally, with his summon attack from the first game, Proud Roar.

Cam Clarke voices Simba in the above two appearances, with an archival recording of Jonathan Taylor Thomas used for Young Simba in a flashback sequence in Kingdom Hearts II.

==All Voice Actors==
*'''[[The Lion King|The Lion King (film)]] - (1994) - (film)''' - Jonathan Taylor Thomas - (cub), Matthew Broderick - (adult), Jason Weaver - (cub singing voice), Joseph Williams - (adult singing voice), Evan Saucedo - ("The Morning Report")
*'''[[The Timon and Pumbaa Show|The Lion King's Timon and Pumbaa]] - (1995) - (TV series)''' - Cam Clarke (adult voice)
*'''[[The Lion King (musical)]] - (1997) - (musical)''' - Scott Irby-Ranniar (cub) (original actor), Jason Raize (adult) (original actor)
*'''[[The Lion King II: Simba's Pride]] - (1998) - (film)''' - Matthew Broderick (adult), Cam Clarke (adult singing voice)
*'''[[The Lion King 1½]] - (2004) - (film)''' - Matt Weinberg (cub), Matthew Broderick (teenager and adult)
*'''[[Kingdom Hearts II]] - (2005) - (video game)''' - Jonathan Taylor Thomas (cub), Cam Clarke (adult voice, English)

==Songs==

* [[The Morning Report]]
* [[I Just Can't Wait to be King]]
* [[Hakuna Matata]]
* [[Can You Feel the Love Tonight]]
* [[We Are One]]

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2011-04-14T11:02:33Z

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2011-04-14T10:14:01Z

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2011-04-13T21:24:27Z

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2011-04-13T20:45:49Z

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I enjoyed the Fluffy article very much, great job! ~ [[User:Moka|Moka]] 13:17, 3 January 2011 (PST)
:Thank you. Though apparently some people didn't think it so great as it's almost completely different now from what it was originally... --[[User:Superbabysimba|Superbabysimba]] 13 April 2011 (PDT)
::Well, obviously it's not quite as perfect as you may have thought earlier. I believe there are articles that need more attention then this, but at least it should be fully factual and easy to read. Before I edited it around, it was mostly your own theorys, and that's not really right. I liked what you wrote quite a bit, and thought you had some good points, but as far as confusing people with what's official, and what's not, that doesn't need to be done. --[[User:Wildsimba|Wildsimba]] 13:14, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
:::When read with care and thought, people ought to be able to pick up what's official and what's theory in the way the article originally was. But of course I do understand that the clearer and easier to read the better. --[[User:Superbabysimba|Superbabysimba]] 13 April 2011 (PDT)

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2011-04-13T20:33:45Z

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2011-04-13T18:34:34Z

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Fluffy

2011-04-13T16:12:09Z

Superbabysimba: /* Who is Fluffy, really? */ Sorry, just noticed this was as a Trivia at the bottom. No need to repeat it. ^^

{{Infobox character
| Img = Fluffy.png
| Img_capt = Fluffy, being presented to [[The Pridelands]] by [[Rafiki]]
| Nicknames =
| Meaning =
| Species = Lion
| Appearances = [[The Lion King]]
| Close_Relations = Child of [[Simba]] and [[Nala]], Grandchild of [[Mufasa]] and [[Sarabi]]
}}

{{Quote|Let's just end on the next generation. Here's Fluffy, Simba and Nala's new little cub. Let's just end on Fluffy.|The Lion King film makers, on the 1995 commentary track of the film, referring to the cub at the end.}}

'''Fluffy''' is what the cub at the end of [[The Lion King]] is called. The name was jokingly given to the cub by the film makers during the production of The Lion King. It was never meant to be the cub's final name.

== Appearance ==

Fluffy looks almost exactly like [[Simba]] did as an infant cub: yellow eyes, golden-brown fur, tan underbelly and a pink nose. The major difference is that Fluffy has dark ear rings and Simba did not as an infant.

== Girl or boy? ==

Because the gender of the cub is never officially cited by its creators, the question often arises whether the film makers intended Fluffy to be a boy or a girl - but the chances are they did not bother to decide its gender because they indeed didn't announce any such decision on the commentary track and even gave it a unisex nickname. This chance is supported also by how they reveal in making-of documentaries that they didn't believe in the film's success, which supports the chance that no sequel was intended and thus they didn't bother to decide a gender for the cub.

However, theories are thrown around: some argue that Fluffy was intended to be a boy because of the similarities in appearance to Simba and because of the dark ear rings. (Nala didn't have dark ear rings as a cub unlike young Simba had.) Others argue that as Simba is the only ''infant'' boy known in the film and he didn't have the ear rings as an infant, Fluffy having the rings has it intended a girl. Especially as Simba's mother, [[Sarabi]] has the dark ear rings while Simba's father [[Mufasa]] does not, nor does adult Simba. As in the film makers may have intended that infant boys do not have the dark ear rings but gain them when growing up and lose them by adult age, whereas infant girls have them but lose them when growing up and gain them back at adult age. As most lionessess don't have them as adults, this could apply to only Simba's blood line. Or, the dark ear rings just aren't an evidence of a gender but a totally random design detail.

Fluffy wasn't anointed with the fruit juice on the forehead before the presentation like Simba was, which may be a part of the ceremony only celebrated with male cubs. (Which is later supported in [[The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride]] when infant [[Kiara]] wasn't anointed before being presented by [[Rafiki]]).

== Who is Fluffy, really? ==

After the release of [[The Lion King]] in 1994, the cub became very popular object of speculation as for who it is. The film's content itself doesn't say anything about the cub apart from its outside appearance. No name or gender is given.

In 1994, a few months after the film was released, a book series was published titled [[The Lion King: Six New Adventures]]. It became one of the most popular Lion King book series, but it quite unknown, because it was only released in America. In it, [[Simba]] and [[Nala]] have a son named [[Kopa]]. Those books were not written by any of the film's creators.

In 1995 the film's creators released a commentary track for the Laserdisc release of the film, wherein they called the cub "Fluffy" and didn't refer to it as either a 'he' or 'she'. They didn't mention Kopa in any way.

Soon enough Disney's film makers started to create an [[official]] sequel film, but the crew was all different from those who created the [[canon]] film. A rumour has it that the sequel's creators were planning to write the story with two cubs, a boy and a girl, but cut the boy out in early production and developed the story only with the girl who was later named [[Kiara]]. However, no official source for such production development has yet been proven.

Why they remade the cub's ceremony scene for the actual film is unknown. Why they redesigned the cub for the actual film is also unknown. Whatever the motive, the act is ''retroactive continuity'' and is very common in fictional film series.

Officially, the cub at the end of The Lion King and at the beginning of [[The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride]] are supposed to be the same. Still, because of the differences in the ceremonies and the cubs and whatever other reasons in the film itself, some fans believe that Fluffy is actually another one of Simba's cubs from the entity of the official The Lion King universe.

== Trivia ==

* They used the cub from the end of the first film in the sequel's official trailer<ref>http://homepage.mac.com/maanerud/movies/simbapridetrailer.mov</ref>.

== References ==
<references />

[[Category:Characters]]
[[Category:Official characters]]
[[Category:Canon characters]]
[[Category:Movie characters]]
[[Category:Characters from The Lion King]]
[[Category:Pridelanders]]

Fluffy

2011-04-13T13:24:00Z

Superbabysimba: /* Who is Fluffy, really? */ Added some clarifying, official facts.

{{Infobox character
| Img = Fluffy.png
| Img_capt = Fluffy, being presented to [[The Pridelands]] by [[Rafiki]]
| Nicknames =
| Meaning =
| Species = Lion
| Appearances = [[The Lion King]]
| Close_Relations = Child of [[Simba]] and [[Nala]], Grandchild of [[Mufasa]] and [[Sarabi]]
}}

{{Quote|Let's just end on the next generation. Here's Fluffy, Simba and Nala's new little cub. Let's just end on Fluffy.|The Lion King film makers, on the 1995 commentary track of the film, referring to the cub at the end.}}

'''Fluffy''' is what the cub at the end of [[The Lion King]] is called. The name was jokingly given to the cub by the film makers during the production of The Lion King. It was never meant to be the cub's final name.

== Appearance ==

Fluffy looks almost exactly like [[Simba]] did as an infant cub: yellow eyes, golden-brown fur, tan underbelly and a pink nose. The major difference is that Fluffy has dark ear rings and Simba did not as an infant.

== Girl or boy? ==

Because the gender of the cub is never officially cited by its creators, the question often arises whether the film makers intended Fluffy to be a boy or a girl - but the chances are they did not bother to decide its gender because they indeed didn't announce any such decision on the commentary track and even gave it a unisex nickname. This chance is supported also by how they reveal in making-of documentaries that they didn't believe in the film's success, which supports the chance that no sequel was intended and thus they didn't bother to decide a gender for the cub.

However, theories are thrown around: some argue that Fluffy was intended to be a boy because of the similarities in appearance to Simba and because of the dark ear rings. (Nala didn't have dark ear rings as a cub unlike young Simba had.) Others argue that as Simba is the only ''infant'' boy known in the film and he didn't have the ear rings as an infant, Fluffy having the rings has it intended a girl. Especially as Simba's mother, [[Sarabi]] has the dark ear rings while Simba's father [[Mufasa]] does not, nor does adult Simba. As in the film makers may have intended that infant boys do not have the dark ear rings but gain them when growing up and lose them by adult age, whereas infant girls have them but lose them when growing up and gain them back at adult age. As most lionessess don't have them as adults, this could apply to only Simba's blood line. Or, the dark ear rings just aren't an evidence of a gender but a totally random design detail.

Fluffy wasn't anointed with the fruit juice on the forehead before the presentation like Simba was, which may be a part of the ceremony only celebrated with male cubs. (Which is later supported in [[The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride]] when infant [[Kiara]] wasn't anointed before being presented by [[Rafiki]]).

== Who is Fluffy, really? ==

After the release of [[The Lion King]] in 1994, the cub became very popular object of speculation as for who it is. The film's content itself doesn't say anything about the cub apart from its outside appearance. No name or gender is given.

In 1994, a few months after the film was released, a book series was published titled [[The Lion King: Six New Adventures]]. It became one of the most popular Lion King book series, but it quite unknown, because it was only released in America. In it, [[Simba]] and [[Nala]] have a son named [[Kopa]]. Those books were not written by any of the film's creators.

In 1995 the film's creators released a commentary track for the Laserdisc release of the film, wherein they called the cub "Fluffy" and didn't refer to it as either a 'he' or 'she'. They didn't mention Kopa in any way.

Soon enough Disney's film makers started to create an [[official]] sequel film, but the crew was all different from those who created the [[canon]] film. A rumour has it that the sequel's creators were planning to write the story with two cubs, a boy and a girl, but cut the boy out in early production and developed the story only with the girl who was later named [[Kiara]]. However, no official source for such production development has yet been proven.

They used Fluffy for baby Kiara in the sequel's official trailer. Why they remade the cub's ceremony scene for the actual film is unknown. Why they redesigned the cub for the actual film is also unknown. Whatever the motive, the act is ''retroactive continuity'' and is very common in fictional film series.

Officially, the cub at the end of The Lion King and at the beginning of [[The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride]] are supposed to be the same. Still, because of the differences in the ceremonies and the cubs and whatever other reasons in the film itself, some fans believe that Fluffy is actually another one of Simba's cubs from the entity of the official The Lion King universe.

== Trivia ==

* They used the cub from the end of the first film in the sequel's official trailer<ref>http://homepage.mac.com/maanerud/movies/simbapridetrailer.mov</ref>.

== References ==
<references />

[[Category:Characters]]
[[Category:Official characters]]
[[Category:Canon characters]]
[[Category:Movie characters]]
[[Category:Characters from The Lion King]]
[[Category:Pridelanders]]

Fluffy

2011-04-13T13:11:53Z

Superbabysimba: /* Girl or boy? */ Let's forget about Kovu, because his designers were not the same as Fluffy's. We can look only into the designs in the first film when debating its possibly intended gender.

{{Infobox character
| Img = Fluffy.png
| Img_capt = Fluffy, being presented to [[The Pridelands]] by [[Rafiki]]
| Nicknames =
| Meaning =
| Species = Lion
| Appearances = [[The Lion King]]
| Close_Relations = Child of [[Simba]] and [[Nala]], Grandchild of [[Mufasa]] and [[Sarabi]]
}}

{{Quote|Let's just end on the next generation. Here's Fluffy, Simba and Nala's new little cub. Let's just end on Fluffy.|The Lion King film makers, on the 1995 commentary track of the film, referring to the cub at the end.}}

'''Fluffy''' is what the cub at the end of [[The Lion King]] is called. The name was jokingly given to the cub by the film makers during the production of The Lion King. It was never meant to be the cub's final name.

== Appearance ==

Fluffy looks almost exactly like [[Simba]] did as an infant cub: yellow eyes, golden-brown fur, tan underbelly and a pink nose. The major difference is that Fluffy has dark ear rings and Simba did not as an infant.

== Girl or boy? ==

Because the gender of the cub is never officially cited by its creators, the question often arises whether the film makers intended Fluffy to be a boy or a girl - but the chances are they did not bother to decide its gender because they indeed didn't announce any such decision on the commentary track and even gave it a unisex nickname. This chance is supported also by how they reveal in making-of documentaries that they didn't believe in the film's success, which supports the chance that no sequel was intended and thus they didn't bother to decide a gender for the cub.

However, theories are thrown around: some argue that Fluffy was intended to be a boy because of the similarities in appearance to Simba and because of the dark ear rings. (Nala didn't have dark ear rings as a cub unlike young Simba had.) Others argue that as Simba is the only ''infant'' boy known in the film and he didn't have the ear rings as an infant, Fluffy having the rings has it intended a girl. Especially as Simba's mother, [[Sarabi]] has the dark ear rings while Simba's father [[Mufasa]] does not, nor does adult Simba. As in the film makers may have intended that infant boys do not have the dark ear rings but gain them when growing up and lose them by adult age, whereas infant girls have them but lose them when growing up and gain them back at adult age. As most lionessess don't have them as adults, this could apply to only Simba's blood line. Or, the dark ear rings just aren't an evidence of a gender but a totally random design detail.

Fluffy wasn't anointed with the fruit juice on the forehead before the presentation like Simba was, which may be a part of the ceremony only celebrated with male cubs. (Which is later supported in [[The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride]] when infant [[Kiara]] wasn't anointed before being presented by [[Rafiki]]).

== Who is Fluffy, really? ==

After the release of [[The Lion King]] in 1994, the cub became very popular object of speculation as for who it is. The film's content itself doesn't say anything about the cub apart from its outside appearance. No name or gender is given.

In 1994, a few months after the film was released, a book series was published titled [[The Lion King: Six New Adventures]]. It became one of the most popular Lion King book series, but it quite unknown, because it was only released in America. In it, [[Simba]] and [[Nala]] have a son named [[Kopa]].

In 1995 the film's creators released a commentary track for the Laserdisc release of the film, wherein they called the cub "Fluffy" and didn't refer to it as either a 'he' or 'she'.

Soon enough Disney's film makers started to create an [[official]] sequel film, but the crew was all different from those who created the [[canon]] film. The sequel's creators were planning to write the story with two cubs, a boy and a girl, but cut the boy out in early production and developed the story only with the girl who was later named [[Kiara]].

Why they remade the cub's ceremony scene is unknown. Why they redesigned the cub is also unknown. Whatever the motive, the act is ''retroactive continuity'' and is very common in fictional film series.

Officially, the cub at the end of The Lion King and at the beginning of [[The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride]] are supposed to be the same. Still, because of the differences in the ceremonies and the cubs and whatever other reasons, some fans believe that Fluffy is actually another one of Simba's cubs.

== Trivia ==

* They used the cub from the end of the first film in the sequel's official trailer<ref>http://homepage.mac.com/maanerud/movies/simbapridetrailer.mov</ref>.

== References ==
<references />

[[Category:Characters]]
[[Category:Official characters]]
[[Category:Canon characters]]
[[Category:Movie characters]]
[[Category:Characters from The Lion King]]
[[Category:Pridelanders]]

Fluffy

2011-04-13T12:25:51Z

Superbabysimba: Again, it's genderless in that picture/film officially. So it's grandchild, not grandson.

{{Infobox character
| Img = Fluffy.png
| Img_capt = Fluffy, being presented to [[The Pridelands]] by [[Rafiki]]
| Nicknames =
| Meaning =
| Species = Lion
| Appearances = [[The Lion King]]
| Close_Relations = Child of [[Simba]] and [[Nala]], Grandchild of [[Mufasa]] and [[Sarabi]]
}}

{{Quote|Let's just end on the next generation. Here's Fluffy, Simba and Nala's new little cub. Let's just end on Fluffy.|The Lion King film makers, on the 1995 commentary track of the film, referring to the cub at the end.}}

'''Fluffy''' is what the cub at the end of [[The Lion King]] is called. The name was jokingly given to the cub by the film makers during the production of The Lion King. It was never meant to be the cub's final name.

== Appearance ==

Fluffy looks almost exactly like [[Simba]] did as an infant cub: yellow eyes, golden-brown fur, tan underbelly and a pink nose. The major difference is that Fluffy has dark ear rings and Simba did not as an infant.

== Girl or boy? ==

Because the gender of the cub is never officially cited, the question often arises whether the film makers intended Fluffy to be a boy or a girl. Some argue that Fluffy was intended to be a boy because of the similarities in appearance to Simba and the dark ear rings. (No female cub in the movies has had dark ear rings like young Simba and [[Kovu]]). Others argue that Fluffy wasn't anointed with the fruit juice on the forehead before the presentation like Simba was, which may be a part of the ceremony only celebrated with male cubs. (Which is later supported in [[The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride]] when infant [[Kiara]] wasn't anointed before being presented by [[Rafiki]]).

== Who is Fluffy, really? ==

After the release of [[The Lion King]] in 1994, the cub became very popular object of speculation as for who it is. The film's content itself doesn't say anything about the cub apart from its outside appearance. No name or gender is given.

In 1994, a few months after the film was released, a book series was published titled [[The Lion King: Six New Adventures]]. It became one of the most popular Lion King book series, but it quite unknown, because it was only released in America. In it, [[Simba]] and [[Nala]] have a son named [[Kopa]].

In 1995 the film's creators released a commentary track for the Laserdisc release of the film, wherein they called the cub "Fluffy" and didn't refer to it as either a 'he' or 'she'.

Soon enough Disney's film makers started to create an [[official]] sequel film, but the crew was all different from those who created the [[canon]] film. The sequel's creators were planning to write the story with two cubs, a boy and a girl, but cut the boy out in early production and developed the story only with the girl who was later named [[Kiara]].

Why they remade the cub's ceremony scene is unknown. Why they redesigned the cub is also unknown. Whatever the motive, the act is ''retroactive continuity'' and is very common in fictional film series.

Officially, the cub at the end of The Lion King and at the beginning of [[The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride]] are supposed to be the same. Still, because of the differences in the ceremonies and the cubs and whatever other reasons, some fans believe that Fluffy is actually another one of Simba's cubs.

== Trivia ==

* They used the cub from the end of the first film in the sequel's official trailer<ref>http://homepage.mac.com/maanerud/movies/simbapridetrailer.mov</ref>.

== References ==
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Kopa

2011-04-12T18:32:04Z

Superbabysimba: /* Physical Attributes */ Well, since the paragraph mentions his personality characteristics too, the subtitle might as well say so.

{{Infobox Character
| Img = Kopa.png
| Img_capt = Kopa
| Nicknames =
| Meaning = Heart Shape
| Species = [[Lion]]
| Gender =
| Close_Relations = Great-Great-Grandson to [[Mohatu]], Great-Grandson to [[Ahadi]] and [[Uru]], Grandson to [[Mufasa]] and [[Sarabi]], and Son to [[Simba]] and [[Nala]].
| Appearances = [[The Lion King: Six New Adventures]]
}}

{{Quote|Great uncle [[Scar]] was a real creep!|Kopa, after hearing Rafiki's story, ''[[A Tale of Two Brothers]]''}}

'''Kopa''' is the son of [[Simba]] and [[Nala]] and prince of the [[Pride Lands]] in a series of books called [[The Lion King: Six New Adventures]].

== Physical Attributes and Personality ==

According to the illustrations, he looked almost exactly like Simba as a cub, except he had slightly darker golden-colored fur and a brownish-red tuft of hair on his head, a red-brown eye color, as well as a more squared muzzle than Simba. He is described as loving to hear stories, but is also curious and playful, like his father was when he was a cub.

== The Lion King: Six New Adventures ==

In the book series, much of the time Kopa is listening to a story from various people like Zazu or Rafiki, but he appeared most prominently in [[Vulture Shock]]. He also had a few minor roles in some of the other books in the set of six.

During Vulture Shock, Kopa wanted to find his family tree, which he thought was an actual tree with fruit and leaves. After being embarrassed by [[Mega]], [[Leo]], and the other lions, the cub asks Simba to take him to it. His father was too busy, though, dealing with a greedy hippo. So Kopa decided he would find his family tree by himself. While trying to catch a Lizard to eat it, Kopa ended up wandering too far off and ended up in a dry, barren land; lost and afraid that he would never find his way back to [[Pride Rock]], he curled up and fell asleep. In the morning he was found by two vultures, and realizing that the cub was the Lion King's son, the vultures knew Simba would trade anything for him, including a feast so large they would never go hungry again. They kept him prisoner high up in a tree so he couldn't escape, where Kopa was later found by the [[Buzzard Boyz]], a group of rapping vultures. They befriended Kopa after the tiny cub said he liked their singing, and the gang brought Simba and Nala to him. Kopa was then rescued, and his captors were forced to listen to the Buzzard Boyz concert.
[[File:Zazukopa.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Kopa in ''How True, Zazu?'']]

In ''[[A Tale of Two Brothers]]'', Rafiki tells the back story of [[Mufasa]] and [[Scar]] to Kopa, and teaches him that we shouldn't be jealous of others.

In ''[[How True, Zazu?]]'', Zazu tells Kopa about his life when he was young and how he became the King's majordomo.

== Trivia ==

* The film makers of [[The Lion King]] said on the film's commentary track from 1995 Laserdisc and 2003 DVD releases that the cub at the end of the film does not have a real name or gender. They called it "[[Fluffy]]".
* "Fluffy" was used for baby Kiara in an official trailer for [[The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride]].
* The word ''kopa'' has multiple meanings in Swahili: "heart shape" as a noun, and "borrow" as a verb.

== See also ==

* [[Fluffy]]
* [[The Lion King: Six New Adventures]]

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Kiara

2011-04-12T18:28:57Z

Superbabysimba:

{{Infobox Character
| Img = koki.png
| Img_capt = Kiara
| Nicknames = -
| Meaning = Small, Dark Thing ''(Swahili)''
| Species = [[Lion]]
| Gender =
| Close_Relations = Mate of [[Kovu]], Daughter of [[Simba]] and [[Nala]]
| Appearances = [[The Lion King II: Simba's Pride]]
| Voice_Actors = Michelle Horn ''(cub)'', Charity Sanoy ''(singing cub)'', Neve Campbell ''(adult)'', Liz Callaway ''(singing adult)''
}}

{{Quote|I'm not just a princess, you know. That's only half of who I am!|Kiara, talking to [[Timon]] and [[Pumbaa]]}}

'''Kiara''' is [[Simba]] and [[Nala|Nala's]] daughter.

==Physical Attributes==
{{Dialogue2|Nala|Who does she remind you of?|Simba|What? Who?|Nala|She's just like you were when you were young.|[[Nala]] and [[Simba]], talking about their daughter}}
Kiara has bright orange fur as both a cub and adult. She has brownish-red eyes, similar to her father [[Simba]] and paternal grandfather, [[Mufasa]].

==Information==
{{Quote|Now, Princess Kiara, as Simba's daughter, you know better than to go off all alone.|[[Pumbaa]]}}
Kiara is the daughter of [[Simba]] and [[Nala]]. She is the mate of [[Kovu]] as an adult, and appears in ''The Lion King II: Simba's Pride''. She is voiced by Michelle Horn as a cub, Charity Sanoy as a singing cub, Neve Campbell as an adult, and Liz Callaway as a singing adult. "Kiara" is an Irish name meaning "small dark thing".

Kiara first appears in the Presentation at the beginning of Simba's Pride. She is carried to [[Rafiki]] in her mother's mouth before being raised up for all the animals to see. After the presentation, Rafiki holds Kiara for her parents to nuzzle. [[Pumbaa]] and [[Timon]] are shocked to find out that Kiara is a girl.

==The Lion King II: Simba's Pride==
===Cub Kiara===
{{Dialogue4|Simba|If something happened to you, I don't know what I'd do. One day I won't be here... and I need you to carry on in my place. You are part of the great Circle of...|Kiara|Circle of Life, I know.|Simba|Exactly. And you need to be careful. As future Queen...|Kiara|But what if I don't wanna be Queen? It's no fun.|Simba|That's like saying you don't want to be a lion. It's in your blood... as I am. We are part of each other.|Simba and Kiara}}

[[File:Cub Kiara.jpg|thumb|Kiara As A Cub|200 px]]
Kiara grows up to be a strong-headed cub. Although desperate for adventure. Simba is extremely over-protective of her and sends Timon and Pumbaa, her babysitters, to watch over her as she explores the Pride Lands. Grasping the opportunity, Kiara sneaks away from her bumbling babysitters as they start arguing about bugs, and wanders into the [[Outlands]] . Crossing a log, Kiara bumps into another lion cub. Although threatened when the other cub growls at her, Kiara determinedly stays face-to-face with him. When he asks her what she's doing, she replies, "My father told me to never turn your back on an Outsider." The other cub mocks her and calls her "Daddy's little girl". The other cub brags he can take care of himself, and walks confidently onto a stone in the middle of a swamp. Kiara follows, unaware that the stones are actually crocodiles. As the two cubs race to get away from the hungry reptiles, the Outsider cub falls into the water. As a crocodile is about to sink his sharp teeth into him, Kiara jumps on his head, shutting his jaws.

After they escape, the dark cub introduces himself as Kovu. The two cubs laugh and Kiara playfully tags him. Kovu doesn't understand what Kiara is doing. She picks up on this and responds by growling playfully at him. Kovu growls back, but as soon as he does so Simba leaps in front of Kiara. At the same time, [[Zira]], Kovu's mother, leaps in front of her cub. The two parents roar in protection of their offspring. After a brief introduction, Simba growls to Zira, "We're finished here." Zira replies, "Oh no, Simba; we have barely begun," before laughing menacingly and slinking off with Kovu. The two small cubs whisper goodbye to each other.

On the way home, Simba stops to tell Kiara that he was disappointed with her (like when [[Mufasa]] was disappointed with him for venturing into the [[Elephant Graveyard]]). He tells her that she could have been killed, and reminds her of the "Great Circle of Life." She tirelessly finishes his sentence, and Simba tells her of the responsibilities of being a Queen. Kiara says that she doesn't want to be Queen, to which Simba replies, "that's like saying you don't want to be a lion." He tells her that they are part of each other, and sings to her about them being "One."

=== Adult Kiara ===
{{Dialogue3|Lionesses|Wow, her first hunt! You must be so proud, Nala. Here she is!|Rafiki|Kiara.|Lionesses|Good luck, Kiara! She'll be great. Her first hunt! You can do it! It's your day, Kiara. Good luck, Kiara!|[[Sarafina]]|My, how you've grown!|Random lionesses, Rafiki, and [[Sarafina]]}}
Years pass and Kiara grows into a slender young lioness. On her first hunt, she pleads with her father to let her do it on her own. Simba promises, but sends Timon and Pumbaa to watch her anyway. Kiara fails to hunt well, and after sending a herd of topi stampeding away from her, discovers Timon and Pumbaa. Realizing that her father broke his promise, Kiara runs away from the Pride Lands. Zira's plan begins, and she instructs her two elder cubs, Nuka and Vitani, to set the Pride Lands ablaze. Kiara, trapped in the raging flames, makes a last attempt to escape. She jumps onto a ledge and faints out of exhaustion, but not before she sees a young lion looking over her. The lion picks her up and carries her to the Pride Lands. Waking up, Kiara asks where she is; the lion replies, "You're safe in the Pride Lands." Kiara surprises the other lion with an angry outburst of abuse as to why he brought her here. The lion replies that he saved her life. Kiara attempts to walk away, but the other lion blocks her, mirroring the actions of the two cubs years before. Kiara then realizes that the young lion is Kovu.

[[Image:Kiarakovu.jpg|thumb|left|Kiara And Kovu|200 px]]
Suddenly, Simba appears, followed by Nala and Zazu. Simba confronts Kovu, who growls back. Rafiki appears and indirectly tells Simba that Kovu saved his daughter's life. Simba questions Kovu's motives for saving her, to which Kovu replies he has left the Outsiders and is a rogue. He asks to join Simba's pride. Simba reluctantly agrees, following his father's law on repaying debts, but he allows him in on judgment. Kiara is delighted at the news. That night, Kovu offers to teach Kiara how to become a better hunter. She accepts his offer and suggests they start at dawn.

[[File:Kiara-kiara-7338745-850-504.png|thumb|200 px|Kiara After Zira's Death]]

The next morning, Kovu watches Simba as he drinks at the waterhole. Kovu is ready to attack, when Kiara jumps in front of him. She excitedly jumps around and urges Kovu to start the lesson. Kovu growls, as his first attempt to kill Simba fails. While tirelessly training Kiara, Kovu shows her an example. He unintentionally pounces on Timon. who for once, he explains, is not following Kiara. He tells the lions that the birds are eating all the grubs. Kiara shows a confused Kovu how to roar and scare the birds away. Laughing, Kiara and Kovu run through the birds, making them scatter. Kovu is puzzled and asks Kiara what this training is for. She replies that this is just for fun, and Kovu doesn't understand; but soon finds out when a crash of rhinos chase the lions. Kiara, Kovu, Timon, and Pumbaa hide in a rock crevice as the rhinos run past. After the stampede, the four of them wriggle out, but as they do so Kiara and Kovu are pushed close together. Both of the lions are embarrassed, and walk back off to Pride Rock.
[[Image:Adult Kiara.jpg|200px|thumb|left]]
That night, Kiara and Kovu are gazing at the stars, trying to make pictures out of the arrangement of the stars. Kiara spots a baby rabbit, and Kovu sees two lions fighting. He also admits he's never done anything like this before. Kiara is shocked and tells Kovu she used to do this all the time with her father, and that the "Great Kings of the Past" look down on them from the stars. Kovu wonders if Scar's star is up there. Troubled, he tries to leave, but Rafiki stops him and takes him and Kiara to Upendi, which is a sort of mirage, but it encourages the lions to like each other more. They sing to themselves afterwards as they make their way back to Pride Rock.
[[File:KiaraConcept1.jpg|thumb|left|Concept Artwork of Kiara escaping the fire, with [[Vitani]] running off in the background.]]
[[File:KiaraKovuConcept.jpg|thumb|right|Concept Artwork of Kiara and Kovu.]]
The next day, Kiara is surprised and pleased that her father wants to talk to Kovu, but is shocked when Simba returns injured. He explains to her that Kovu and the Outsiders ambushed him. Kiara doesn't believe Kovu would do a thing like that. Later that day, Kovu returns to the Pride Lands with a fresh scar inflicted by Zira, denying that he had anything to do with the ambush. Kiara pleads with Simba to believe him. Simba silences her and exiles Kovu. Kiara is angry at her father, and shouts at him, "You will never be Mufasa!" Upset, she escapes from Pride Rock and runs away to find Kovu.

After searching, Kiara gives up. She's overjoyed when she notices Kovu standing behind her. They laugh together and lie down next to a pool. Kovu looks at their reflection, which has merged through the ripples. He says to her, "Look, we are one." Kiara recognizes what he says and understands that she and Kovu cannot leave; otherwise the [[Pridelanders]] and the Outsiders will be divided forever.

She and Kovu race back, only to find their two prides fighting bitterly against each other. Just as Simba and Zira are about to have a showdown, Kiara and Kovu jump in front of their parents. Kiara explains to her father that "We are one", and that there is no need to fight, as the Outsiders and the Pridelanders are all one. Starting with Vitani, all of the Outsider lionesses cross over to Simba's pride. In a last attempt to fulfill Scar's plan, Zira leaps at Simba; but Kiara jumps in her way. The two lionesses tumble down into the gorge. Kiara manages to hang onto a rock, but Zira struggles to hang onto the cliff face. Kiara offers to help Zira, but Zira refuses and slips away into the churning water below. Kiara is helped back up the cliff by Simba, where she is greeted by her mother and the two prides. Kovu is relieved to see Kiara is all right, and when Simba sees Kiara and Kovu together, admits he was wrong about him. The two prides join, and Simba, Nala, Kiara, and Kovu ascend Pride Rock to roar out their kingdom.

==Songs==

* [[We Are One]]
* [[Upendi]]
* [[Love Will Find a Way]]

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Kiara

2011-04-12T18:28:07Z

Superbabysimba: Factually she has no nicknames. Also, I don't think there is official source for her ever having an earlier name option?

{{Infobox Character
| Img = koki.png
| Img_capt = Kiara
| Nicknames = None.
| Meaning = Small, Dark Thing ''(Swahili)''
| Species = [[Lion]]
| Gender =
| Close_Relations = Mate of [[Kovu]], Daughter of [[Simba]] and [[Nala]]
| Appearances = [[The Lion King II: Simba's Pride]]
| Voice_Actors = Michelle Horn ''(cub)'', Charity Sanoy ''(singing cub)'', Neve Campbell ''(adult)'', Liz Callaway ''(singing adult)''
}}

{{Quote|I'm not just a princess, you know. That's only half of who I am!|Kiara, talking to [[Timon]] and [[Pumbaa]]}}

'''Kiara''' is [[Simba]] and [[Nala|Nala's]] daughter.

==Physical Attributes==
{{Dialogue2|Nala|Who does she remind you of?|Simba|What? Who?|Nala|She's just like you were when you were young.|[[Nala]] and [[Simba]], talking about their daughter}}
Kiara has bright orange fur as both a cub and adult. She has brownish-red eyes, similar to her father [[Simba]] and paternal grandfather, [[Mufasa]].

==Information==
{{Quote|Now, Princess Kiara, as Simba's daughter, you know better than to go off all alone.|[[Pumbaa]]}}
Kiara is the daughter of [[Simba]] and [[Nala]]. She is the mate of [[Kovu]] as an adult, and appears in ''The Lion King II: Simba's Pride''. She is voiced by Michelle Horn as a cub, Charity Sanoy as a singing cub, Neve Campbell as an adult, and Liz Callaway as a singing adult. "Kiara" is an Irish name meaning "small dark thing".

Kiara first appears in the Presentation at the beginning of Simba's Pride. She is carried to [[Rafiki]] in her mother's mouth before being raised up for all the animals to see. After the presentation, Rafiki holds Kiara for her parents to nuzzle. [[Pumbaa]] and [[Timon]] are shocked to find out that Kiara is a girl.

==The Lion King II: Simba's Pride==
===Cub Kiara===
{{Dialogue4|Simba|If something happened to you, I don't know what I'd do. One day I won't be here... and I need you to carry on in my place. You are part of the great Circle of...|Kiara|Circle of Life, I know.|Simba|Exactly. And you need to be careful. As future Queen...|Kiara|But what if I don't wanna be Queen? It's no fun.|Simba|That's like saying you don't want to be a lion. It's in your blood... as I am. We are part of each other.|Simba and Kiara}}

[[File:Cub Kiara.jpg|thumb|Kiara As A Cub|200 px]]
Kiara grows up to be a strong-headed cub. Although desperate for adventure. Simba is extremely over-protective of her and sends Timon and Pumbaa, her babysitters, to watch over her as she explores the Pride Lands. Grasping the opportunity, Kiara sneaks away from her bumbling babysitters as they start arguing about bugs, and wanders into the [[Outlands]] . Crossing a log, Kiara bumps into another lion cub. Although threatened when the other cub growls at her, Kiara determinedly stays face-to-face with him. When he asks her what she's doing, she replies, "My father told me to never turn your back on an Outsider." The other cub mocks her and calls her "Daddy's little girl". The other cub brags he can take care of himself, and walks confidently onto a stone in the middle of a swamp. Kiara follows, unaware that the stones are actually crocodiles. As the two cubs race to get away from the hungry reptiles, the Outsider cub falls into the water. As a crocodile is about to sink his sharp teeth into him, Kiara jumps on his head, shutting his jaws.

After they escape, the dark cub introduces himself as Kovu. The two cubs laugh and Kiara playfully tags him. Kovu doesn't understand what Kiara is doing. She picks up on this and responds by growling playfully at him. Kovu growls back, but as soon as he does so Simba leaps in front of Kiara. At the same time, [[Zira]], Kovu's mother, leaps in front of her cub. The two parents roar in protection of their offspring. After a brief introduction, Simba growls to Zira, "We're finished here." Zira replies, "Oh no, Simba; we have barely begun," before laughing menacingly and slinking off with Kovu. The two small cubs whisper goodbye to each other.

On the way home, Simba stops to tell Kiara that he was disappointed with her (like when [[Mufasa]] was disappointed with him for venturing into the [[Elephant Graveyard]]). He tells her that she could have been killed, and reminds her of the "Great Circle of Life." She tirelessly finishes his sentence, and Simba tells her of the responsibilities of being a Queen. Kiara says that she doesn't want to be Queen, to which Simba replies, "that's like saying you don't want to be a lion." He tells her that they are part of each other, and sings to her about them being "One."

=== Adult Kiara ===
{{Dialogue3|Lionesses|Wow, her first hunt! You must be so proud, Nala. Here she is!|Rafiki|Kiara.|Lionesses|Good luck, Kiara! She'll be great. Her first hunt! You can do it! It's your day, Kiara. Good luck, Kiara!|[[Sarafina]]|My, how you've grown!|Random lionesses, Rafiki, and [[Sarafina]]}}
Years pass and Kiara grows into a slender young lioness. On her first hunt, she pleads with her father to let her do it on her own. Simba promises, but sends Timon and Pumbaa to watch her anyway. Kiara fails to hunt well, and after sending a herd of topi stampeding away from her, discovers Timon and Pumbaa. Realizing that her father broke his promise, Kiara runs away from the Pride Lands. Zira's plan begins, and she instructs her two elder cubs, Nuka and Vitani, to set the Pride Lands ablaze. Kiara, trapped in the raging flames, makes a last attempt to escape. She jumps onto a ledge and faints out of exhaustion, but not before she sees a young lion looking over her. The lion picks her up and carries her to the Pride Lands. Waking up, Kiara asks where she is; the lion replies, "You're safe in the Pride Lands." Kiara surprises the other lion with an angry outburst of abuse as to why he brought her here. The lion replies that he saved her life. Kiara attempts to walk away, but the other lion blocks her, mirroring the actions of the two cubs years before. Kiara then realizes that the young lion is Kovu.

[[Image:Kiarakovu.jpg|thumb|left|Kiara And Kovu|200 px]]
Suddenly, Simba appears, followed by Nala and Zazu. Simba confronts Kovu, who growls back. Rafiki appears and indirectly tells Simba that Kovu saved his daughter's life. Simba questions Kovu's motives for saving her, to which Kovu replies he has left the Outsiders and is a rogue. He asks to join Simba's pride. Simba reluctantly agrees, following his father's law on repaying debts, but he allows him in on judgment. Kiara is delighted at the news. That night, Kovu offers to teach Kiara how to become a better hunter. She accepts his offer and suggests they start at dawn.

[[File:Kiara-kiara-7338745-850-504.png|thumb|200 px|Kiara After Zira's Death]]

The next morning, Kovu watches Simba as he drinks at the waterhole. Kovu is ready to attack, when Kiara jumps in front of him. She excitedly jumps around and urges Kovu to start the lesson. Kovu growls, as his first attempt to kill Simba fails. While tirelessly training Kiara, Kovu shows her an example. He unintentionally pounces on Timon. who for once, he explains, is not following Kiara. He tells the lions that the birds are eating all the grubs. Kiara shows a confused Kovu how to roar and scare the birds away. Laughing, Kiara and Kovu run through the birds, making them scatter. Kovu is puzzled and asks Kiara what this training is for. She replies that this is just for fun, and Kovu doesn't understand; but soon finds out when a crash of rhinos chase the lions. Kiara, Kovu, Timon, and Pumbaa hide in a rock crevice as the rhinos run past. After the stampede, the four of them wriggle out, but as they do so Kiara and Kovu are pushed close together. Both of the lions are embarrassed, and walk back off to Pride Rock.
[[Image:Adult Kiara.jpg|200px|thumb|left]]
That night, Kiara and Kovu are gazing at the stars, trying to make pictures out of the arrangement of the stars. Kiara spots a baby rabbit, and Kovu sees two lions fighting. He also admits he's never done anything like this before. Kiara is shocked and tells Kovu she used to do this all the time with her father, and that the "Great Kings of the Past" look down on them from the stars. Kovu wonders if Scar's star is up there. Troubled, he tries to leave, but Rafiki stops him and takes him and Kiara to Upendi, which is a sort of mirage, but it encourages the lions to like each other more. They sing to themselves afterwards as they make their way back to Pride Rock.
[[File:KiaraConcept1.jpg|thumb|left|Concept Artwork of Kiara escaping the fire, with [[Vitani]] running off in the background.]]
[[File:KiaraKovuConcept.jpg|thumb|right|Concept Artwork of Kiara and Kovu.]]
The next day, Kiara is surprised and pleased that her father wants to talk to Kovu, but is shocked when Simba returns injured. He explains to her that Kovu and the Outsiders ambushed him. Kiara doesn't believe Kovu would do a thing like that. Later that day, Kovu returns to the Pride Lands with a fresh scar inflicted by Zira, denying that he had anything to do with the ambush. Kiara pleads with Simba to believe him. Simba silences her and exiles Kovu. Kiara is angry at her father, and shouts at him, "You will never be Mufasa!" Upset, she escapes from Pride Rock and runs away to find Kovu.

After searching, Kiara gives up. She's overjoyed when she notices Kovu standing behind her. They laugh together and lie down next to a pool. Kovu looks at their reflection, which has merged through the ripples. He says to her, "Look, we are one." Kiara recognizes what he says and understands that she and Kovu cannot leave; otherwise the [[Pridelanders]] and the Outsiders will be divided forever.

She and Kovu race back, only to find their two prides fighting bitterly against each other. Just as Simba and Zira are about to have a showdown, Kiara and Kovu jump in front of their parents. Kiara explains to her father that "We are one", and that there is no need to fight, as the Outsiders and the Pridelanders are all one. Starting with Vitani, all of the Outsider lionesses cross over to Simba's pride. In a last attempt to fulfill Scar's plan, Zira leaps at Simba; but Kiara jumps in her way. The two lionesses tumble down into the gorge. Kiara manages to hang onto a rock, but Zira struggles to hang onto the cliff face. Kiara offers to help Zira, but Zira refuses and slips away into the churning water below. Kiara is helped back up the cliff by Simba, where she is greeted by her mother and the two prides. Kovu is relieved to see Kiara is all right, and when Simba sees Kiara and Kovu together, admits he was wrong about him. The two prides join, and Simba, Nala, Kiara, and Kovu ascend Pride Rock to roar out their kingdom.

==Songs==

* [[We Are One]]
* [[Upendi]]
* [[Love Will Find a Way]]

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[[Category:Movie characters]]
[[Category:Characters from The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride]]
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[[Category:Female characters]]
[[Category:Pridelanders]]
[[Category:Protagonist]]

Fluffy

2011-04-12T18:22:11Z

Superbabysimba:

Fluffy

2011-04-12T18:19:34Z

Superbabysimba: Sorry about those multiple typos. I corrected them.

Fluffy

2011-04-12T18:16:35Z

Superbabysimba: Somebody had removed one big, noticable appearence difference which I had origibnally pointed out. Also, making sure people get that teh Chaka info is not official.

Fluffy

2011-04-10T12:55:52Z

Superbabysimba: A left over random word erased & Scar totally is not Fluffy's uncle, I believe the correct term is great-uncle.

Fluffy

2011-04-08T12:29:53Z

Superbabysimba: Read my comment on the revision below. For some reason it didn't revision what it was supposed to.

{{Infobox Character
| Img = Fluffy.jpg
| Img_size = 180px
| Img_capt = Fluffy
| Species = Lion
| Appearances = [[The Lion King (film)]], [[The Lion King II: Simba's Pride]], and in numerous books.
| Close_Relations = Father [[Simba]], Mother [[Nala]], Uncle [[Scar]], Grandfather [[Mufasa]] and grandmother [[Sarabi]].
}}

{{Quote|Let's just end on the next generation. Here's Fluffy, Simba and Nala's new little cub. Let's just end on Fluffy.|The Lion King film makers, on the 1995 commentary track of the film, refering to the cub at the end.}}

'''Fluffy''' is what the cub at the end of [[The Lion King (film)|The Lion King]] was officially called.

==Appearance==
Fluffy looks a lot like its father [[Simba]] did as a baby. It has very similar facial features, golden brown fur, pale toes, and big black pupils without irises. But there is one big noticable difference: it has black ear rings whereas Simba didn't.

==Information==
===After The Lion King===
After the release of the film in June 1994, the cub became very popular object of speculation as for who it is. The film's content itself doesn't say anything about the cub apart from its outside appearence. No name or gender is given.

In 1994, few months after the film, was published the book series [[The Lion King: Six New Adventures]], which became the most popular but remained quite unknown as it was released only in USA. In it, [[Simba]] and [[Nala]] have a son named [[Kopa]]. In 1995 the film's creators released a commentary track for the Laserdisc release of the film, wherein they called the cub "Fluffy" and didn't refer to it as either a 'he' or 'she' - even though Kopa was in Disney's copyrights and there would've been no harm done by turning the cub into him.

Soon enough Disney's film makers started to create an official sequel film, but the crew was all different from those who created the canon film. A rumour has it that the sequel's creators were planning to write two cubs, a boy named Chaka and a girl who had several name options, but cut the boy out in early production and developed the story only with the girl. This girl was one of the primary characters in the film, her name was [[Kiara]].

===After The Lion King II: Simba's Pride===
They used the cub from the end of the first film in this sequel's official trailer - used it for baby Kiara, making it official Kiara and that cub are the same in essence. But even so, because in the actual film its design and the ceremony are obviously different from the first film's version, it has caused confusion among fans - especially those who know about Kopa in the books. There are a few fan theories to connect Kopa into the story, of which the most popular is that [[Zira]] killed Kopa before the film's beginning.

So, as far as the cold hard facts from the films' makers go, in the official movie universe the cub is either genderless Fluffy, or Kiara, but because of the design differences in the actual movies, for fanfiction it can of course be anyone you want.

Why they remade the cub's ceremony scene is unknown but it was likely in order to fit in the opening song like the one in the first film. Why they redesigned the cub is unknown but likely they wanted it to look more obviously female, or just less like Simba as in more personal and individual appearence instead of a clone of her father. Whatever the motive, the act is ''retroactive continuity'' that is very common in works of fictional series.

One essential thing remains common between Fluffy and Kiara and the ceremony scenes: neither have the fruit juice paint on them when [[Rafiki]] holds them up for the kingdom to see. Kiara gets the paint after Rafiki takes her down. Thus, the continuity doesn't completely lack and Kiara and Fluffy blend into one on a practical level also in the actual movie.

Fluffy is Kiara in the entity of the movie universe, which forms the official story of The Lion King, while the first film's commentary track proves Fluffy never was even supposed to be officially anyone until Kiara.

[[Category:Characters]]
[[Category:Lions]]
[[Category:Female Characters]]
[[Category:Male Characters]]
[[Category:Pridelanders]]

Fluffy

2011-04-08T12:28:17Z

Superbabysimba: Undo revision 3406 by Wildsimba (talk) - Everything has been proven about the cub officially (the trailer!), so this is not factual section.

Fluffy

2011-04-08T12:22:46Z

Superbabysimba: Undo revision 3403 by Wildsimba (talk) The OFFICIAL TRAILER of TLK2 IS official proof. Fan speculation is not needed in fact themed article.

Kopa

2011-04-07T13:17:14Z

Superbabysimba:

{{Infobox Character
| Img = Kopa.png
| Img_capt = Kopa
| Nicknames =
| Meaning = Heart shape
| Species = [[Lion]]
| Gender =
| Close_Relations = Great-Great-Grandson To [[Mohatu]], Great-Grandson To [[Ahadi]] And [[Uru]], and only in the books grandson to [[Mufasa]] and [[Sarabi]] and son To [[Simba]] and [[Nala]].
| Appearances = ''[[The Lion King: Six New Adventures]]''
}}

{{Quote|Great uncle [[Scar]] was a real creep!|Kopa, after hearing Rafiki's story, ''[[A Tale of Two Brothers]]''}}

'''Kopa''' is the son of [[Simba]] and [[Nala]] in a series of books in the book universe.

==Physical Attributes==
Kopa is very similar to his father in appearance when he was a child. Kopa has a few differences, like slightly darker golden-colored fur and a brownish-red tuft of hair on his head, and a more squared muzzle than Simba. Other than that, he looks almost identical to his dad from his cubhood, even with the same reddish-brown eye color.

==Info==
[[File:Kopa_nala_dare.png|thumb|left|Kopa, as shown in [[Nala's Dare]].]]

Kopa is a [[lion]] character in [[Disney|Disney's]] ''[[The Lion King]]'' universe. According to the set of books titled ''The Lion King: Six New Adventures'' he is the son of Simba and Nala, but he didn't appear in [[The Lion King II: Simba's Pride|''The Lion King II: Simba's Pride'']] - instead, Simba and Nala have a daughter named [[Kiara]], and Kopa's existence was never mentioned. Disney has confirmed that the cub seen at the end of the first ''Lion King'' film is not Kopa; as even though Kopa already existed in the books, the film makers of ''[[The Lion King]]'' said on the film's commentary track from 1995 Laserdisc and 2003 DVD releases, that the cub in the end does not have a real name or gender. They called it "Fluffy" and didn't give it a gender. Then the ''other'' (not the ones who made the first film) film makers from Disney decided it to be a girl and named her Kiara. As the sequel film doesn't make references to any siblings for Kiara while they also used "Fluffy" for baby Kiara in their film's official trailer, the cub turns into Kiara in the entity of the official story. Or remains genderless Fluffy if regarding only the first film. That is for the facts of the cub's official identity. In fanfiction it can of course be Kopa or anyone you'd like.

Even though the canon film's makers evidently have not accepted Kopa into their film, many still consider Kopa to be "semi-canon" to express their opinion that Kopa is not fan-made. The question of where Kopa stands in officiality has sparked a flame that has ignited a wildfire of disputes among the Lion King fandom.

Kopa wasn't created, written or developed by Disney at all but by outsider comic and children book writers, which is why some consider Kopa to be fan-made - as in by Disney fans who just happen to be comic/childrens book writers. It's also likely the reason why the cub in the end was never refered to as Kopa by the film makers, and why he wasn't taken into the movie universe even later. The first book in the series, ''A Tale of Two Brothers'' wherein Kopa first appears, is an original story created and written by the writer ''Alex Simmons'', who isn't part of The Walt Disney Company. [http://simmonshereandnow.com/ Alex Simmons' personal web site], provides that information.

The word ''kopa'' has multiple meanings in Swahili: "heart shape" as a noun, and "borrow" as a verb.

==The Lion King: Six New Adventures==

In the book series, much of the time Kopa is listening to a story by various people like Zazu or Rafiki, but he probably appeared most prominently in ''[[The_Lion_King:_Six_New_Adventures#Vulture_Shock|Vulture Shock]]''. He also had a few minor roles in some of the other books in the set of six. According to the illustrations, he looked almost exactly like Simba as a cub, except for a small tuft of brown fur on his head. He is described as loving to hear stories, but is also curious and playful, like his father was.

During ''Vulture Shock'', Kopa wanted to find his family tree, which he thought was an actual tree with fruit and leaves. After being embarrassed by [[Mega]], [[Leo]], and the other lions, the cub asks Simba to take him to it, but his father was too busy dealing with a greedy hippo, so Kopa decided he would find his family tree by himself. Finding a lizard and chasing it, trying to eat the lizard, Kopa ended up wandering too far off and was in a dry, barren land; lost and afraid that he would never find his way back to [[Pride Rock]], he curled up and fell asleep. In the morning he was found by two vultures, and realizing that the cub was the Lion King's son, the vultures knew Simba would trade anything for him, including a feast so large they would never go hungry again. They kept him prisoner high up in a tree so he couldn't escape, where Kopa was later found by the Buzzard Boyz, a group of rapping vultures who sang horribly. They befriended Kopa after the tiny cub said he liked their singing, and the gang brought Simba and Nala to him. Kopa was then rescued, and his captors were forced to listen to the Buzzard Boyz concert.
[[File:Zazukopa.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Kopa in ''How True, Zazu?'']]

In ''[[The_Lion_King:_Six_New_Adventures#A Tale of Two Brothers|A Tale of Two Brothers]]'', Rafiki tells the back story of [[Mufasa]] and [[Scar]] to Kopa, and teaches him that we shouldn't be jealous of others.

In ''[[How True, Zazu?]]'', Zazu tells Kopa about his life when he was young and how he became the King's majordomo.

==External links==
* [http://www.mylionking.com/wiki/Fluffy Who was the cub? - Fluffy at The Lion King Wiki]

[[Category:Characters]]
[[Category:Lions]]
[[Category:Male Characters]]
[[Category:Characters from Books and Comics]]
[[Category:Characters from The Lion King: Six New Adventures]]

Fluffy

2011-04-07T12:34:59Z

Superbabysimba: Added something I found out after I first created this article.

{{Infobox Character
| Img = Fluffy.jpg
| Img_size = 180px
| Img_capt = Fluffy
| Species = Lion
| Appearances = [[The Lion King (film)]], [[The Lion King II: Simba's Pride]], and in numerous books.
| Close_Relations = Father [[Simba]], Mother [[Nala]], Uncle [[Scar]], Grandfather [[Mufasa]] and grandmother [[Sarabi]].
}}

{{Quote|Let's just end on the next generation. Here's Fluffy, Simba and Nala's new little cub. Let's just end on Fluffy.|The Lion King film makers, on the 1995 commentary track of the film, refering to the cub at the end.}}

'''Fluffy''' is what the cub at the end of [[The Lion King (film)|The Lion King]] film was officially called until later given the identity of [[Kiara]] in the official storyline.

==Appearance==
Fluffy looks a lot like its father [[Simba]] did as a baby. It has very similar facial features, golden brown fur, paler toes, and big, black pupils without irises. But couple of noticable differences can be found: it has black ear rings whereas Simba didn't and it doesn't have fruit juice 'paint' on its forehead unlike Simba did.

==Information==
===After The Lion King===
After the release of the film in June 1994, the cub became very popular object of speculation as for who it is. The film's content itself doesn't say anything about the cub apart from its outside appearence. No name or gender is given. Because of the look-alike appearence to Simba and how no female had been seen with a golden brown fur, many believed it to be a boy and many still refuse to believe it's not. Even the ear rings make some absolutely certain that it's a boy, even though Simba as a baby didn't have them and Simba's mother [[Sarabi]] does have them. And even though the fruit juice paint was an essential part of Simba's blessing ceremony in the beginning, the lack of it at the point where the only known baby boy had it, implies that it might be a girl after all - especially when combined to the fact about the ear ring matter.

The original design making its gender unclear and many believing it to be a boy, resulted in some outsider writers creating childrens' books wherein it was visioned as a son. And as no official sequel to the film was in plans, Disney's book apartment approved them, forming a semi-official book universe out of a collection of profit fanfiction stories that contradict each others. In 1994, few months after the film, was published the book series [[The Lion King: Six New Adventures]], which became the most popular but remained quite unknown as it was released only in USA. In it, Simba and [[Nala]] have a son named [[Kopa]]. In 1995 the film's creators released a commentary track for the Laserdisc release of the film, wherein they called the cub "Fluffy" and didn't refer to it either a 'he' or 'she' - even though Kopa was in Disney's copyrights and there would've been no harm done by turning the cub into him. By Fluffy, they made clear they didn't want Kopa to be the cub in the film, that in the official story the cub would remain without a gender or real name.

Soon enough Disney's film makers started to create an official sequel film, but the crew was all different from those who created the canon film. A rumour has it that the sequel's creators were planning to write two cubs, a boy named Chaka and a girl who had several name options, but cut the boy out in early production and developed the story only with the girl. In 1998, [[The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride]] film was released and Fluffy had finally gotten an official gender and name: a girl [[Kiara]].

===After The Lion King II: Simba's Pride===
They used the cub from the end of the first film in this sequel's official trailer - used it for baby Kiara, making it official Kiara and that cub are the same in essence. But even so, because in the actual film its design and the ceremony are obviously different from the first film's version, it has caused confusion among fans - especially those who know about Kopa in the books. There are a few fan theories to connect Kopa into the story, of which the most popular is that [[Zira]] killed Kopa before the film's beginning.

So, as far as the cold hard facts from the films' makers go, in the official movie universe the cub is either genderless Fluffy, or Kiara, but because of the design differences in the actual movies, for fanfiction it can of course be anyone you want.

Why they remade the cub's ceremony scene is unknown but it was likely in order to fit in the opening song like the one in the first film. Why they redesigned the cub is unknown but likely they wanted it to look more obviously female, or just less like Simba as in more personal and individual appearence instead of a clone of her father. Whatever the motive, the act is ''retroactive continuity'' that is very common in works of fictional series.

One essential thing remains common between Fluffy and Kiara and the ceremony scenes: neither have the fruit juice paint on them when [[Rafiki]] holds them up for the kingdom to see. Kiara gets the paint after Rafiki takes her down. Thus, the continuity doesn't completely lack and Kiara and Fluffy blend into one on a practical level also in the actual movie.

Fluffy is Kiara in the entity of the movie universe, which forms the official story of The Lion King, while the first film's commentary track proves Fluffy never was even supposed to be officially anyone until Kiara.

[[Category:Characters]]
[[Category:Lions]]
[[Category:Female Characters]]
[[Category:Male Characters]]
[[Category:Pridelanders]]

Kopa

2011-01-03T15:11:29Z

Superbabysimba:

{{Infobox Character
| Img = Kopa.png
| Img_capt = Kopa
| Nicknames =
| Meaning = Heart shape
| Species = [[Lion]]
| Gender =
| Close_Relations = Great-Great-Grandson To [[Mohatu]], Great-Grandson To [[Ahadi]] And [[Uru]], and only in the books grandson to [[Mufasa]] and [[Sarabi]] and son To [[Simba]] and [[Nala]].
| Appearances = ''[[The Lion King: Six New Adventures]]''
}}

{{Quote|Great uncle [[Scar]] was a real creep!|Kopa, after hearing Rafiki's story, ''[[A Tale of Two Brothers]]''}}

'''Kopa''' is the son of [[Simba]] and [[Nala]] in a series of books in the book universe.

==Physical Attributes==
Kopa is very similar to his father in appearance when he was a child. Kopa has a few differences, like slightly darker golden-colored fur and a brownish-red tuft of hair on his head. Other than that, he looks almost identical to his dad from his cubhood, even with the same reddish-brown eye color.

==Info==
[[File:Kopa_nala_dare.png|thumb|left|Kopa, as shown in [[Nala's Dare]].]]

Kopa is a [[lion]] character in [[Disney|Disney's]] ''[[The Lion King]]'' universe. According to the set of books titled ''The Lion King: Six New Adventures'' he is the son of Simba and Nala, but he didn't appear in [[The Lion King II: Simba's Pride|''The Lion King II: Simba's Pride'']] - instead, Simba and Nala have a daughter named [[Kiara]], and Kopa's existence was never mentioned. Disney has confirmed that the cub seen at the end of the first ''Lion King'' film is not Kopa; as even though Kopa already existed in the books, the film makers of ''[[The Lion King]]'' said on the film's commentary track from 1995 Laserdisc and 2003 DVD releases, that the cub in the end does not have a real name or gender. They called it "Fluffy" and didn't give it a gender. Then the other film makers from Disney decided it to be a girl and named her Kiara. As the sequel film doesn't make references to any siblings for Kiara, the cub in the end of the first film turns into Kiara, or remains "Fluffy" without a gender.

Many fans like to think that regardless of what the cub's creators have said, the seuquel's makers would've meant Kopa to be in the backstory of their film. But in fact, the sequel's makers made it impossible to be Kopa: Kovu's time of birth was before Simba returned to fight Scar, while Kovu's age in the cub scenes appears the same as Kopa's in the books. Kopa could not have been born back then because Simba and Nala hadn't even reunited yet. And there was too many months between Kovu's and Fluffy's births for them to look the same age. Also, if Kopa still somehow miraculously existed in the sequel film's story, he would've had to show in the film as according to the books' fact that he was the same age as Kovu, he would've been alive and with his family between Kiara's ceremony and the day she met Kovu. But even so, his existence would be contradicting because the books don't even mention Kopa to have a sister. All those facts make the timeline so that it's simply impossible for the cub at the end of the first film to be Kopa and for Kopa to exist at all in the film's story. Thus, if anyone wants to imagine the cub at the end of the first film to be Kopa despite of what its creators have said, they have to completely ignore the sequel film in order to make sense at all.

Kopa wasn't even created, written or developed by Disney at all, which is likely the reason why the cub in the end never was Kopa and why he wasn't taken into the movie universe even later. The first book in the series, ''A Tale of Two Brothers'' wherein Kopa first appears, is an original story created and written by the writer ''Alex Simmons'', who isn't part of The Walt Disney Company. [http://simmonshereandnow.com/ Alex Simmons' personal web site], provides that information.

The word ''kopa'' has multiple meanings in Swahili: "heart shape" as a noun, and "borrow" as a verb.

==The Lion King: Six New Adventures==

In the book series, much of the time Kopa is listening to a story by various people like Zazu or Rafiki, but he probably appeared most prominently in ''[[The_Lion_King:_Six_New_Adventures#Vulture_Shock|Vulture Shock]]''. He also had a few minor roles in some of the other books in the set of six. According to the illustrations, he looked almost exactly like Simba as a cub, except for a small tuft of brown fur on his head. He is described as loving to hear stories, but is also curious and playful, like his father was.

During ''Vulture Shock'', Kopa wanted to find his family tree, which he thought was an actual tree with fruit and leaves. After being embarrassed by [[Mega]], [[Leo]], and the other lions, the cub asks Simba to take him to it, but his father was too busy dealing with a greedy hippo, so Kopa decided he would find his family tree by himself. Finding a lizard and chasing it, trying to eat the lizard, Kopa ended up wandering too far off and was in a dry, barren land; lost and afraid that he would never find his way back to [[Pride Rock]], he curled up and fell asleep. In the morning he was found by two vultures, and realizing that the cub was the Lion King's son, the vultures knew Simba would trade anything for him, including a feast so large they would never go hungry again. They kept him prisoner high up in a tree so he couldn't escape, where Kopa was later found by the Buzzard Boyz, a group of rapping vultures who sang horribly. They befriended Kopa after the tiny cub said he liked their singing, and the gang brought Simba and Nala to him. Kopa was then rescued, and his captors were forced to listen to the Buzzard Boyz concert.
[[File:Zazukopa.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Kopa in ''How True, Zazu?'']]

In ''[[The_Lion_King:_Six_New_Adventures#A Tale of Two Brothers|A Tale of Two Brothers]]'', Rafiki tells the back story of [[Mufasa]] and [[Scar]] to Kopa, and teaches him that we shouldn't be jealous of others.

In ''[[How True, Zazu?]]'', Zazu tells Kopa about his life when he was young and how he became the King's majordomo.

==External links==
* [http://www.mylionking.com/wiki/Fluffy Who was the cub? - Fluffy at The Lion King Wiki]

[[Category:Characters]]
[[Category:Lions]]
[[Category:Male Characters]]
[[Category:Characters from Books and Comics]]
[[Category:Characters from The Lion King: Six New Adventures]]

Kopa

2011-01-02T12:45:24Z

Superbabysimba:

{{Infobox Character
| Img = Kopa.png
| Img_capt = Kopa
| Nicknames =
| Meaning = Heart shape
| Species = [[Lion]]
| Gender =
| Close_Relations = Great-Great-Grandson To [[Mohatu]], Great-Grandson To [[Ahadi]] And [[Uru]], and only in the books grandson to [[Mufasa]] and [[Sarabi]] and son To [[Simba]] and [[Nala]].
| Appearances = ''[[The Lion King: Six New Adventures]]''
}}

{{Quote|Great uncle [[Scar]] was a real creep!|Kopa, after hearing Rafiki's story, ''[[A Tale of Two Brothers]]''}}

'''Kopa''' is the son of [[Simba]] and [[Nala]] in a series of books in the book universe.

==Physical Attributes==
Kopa is very similar to his father in appearance when he was a child. Kopa has a few differences, like slightly darker golden-colored fur and a brownish-red tuft of hair on his head. Other than that, he looks almost identical to his dad from his cubhood, even with the same reddish-brown eye color.

==Info==
[[File:Kopa_nala_dare.png|thumb|left|Kopa, as shown in [[Nala's Dare]].]]

Kopa is a [[lion]] character in [[Disney|Disney's]] ''[[The Lion King]]'' universe. According to the set of books titled ''The Lion King: Six New Adventures'' he is the son of Simba and Nala, but he didn't appear in [[The Lion King II: Simba's Pride|''The Lion King II: Simba's Pride'']] - instead, Simba and Nala have a daughter named [[Kiara]], and Kopa's existence was never mentioned. Disney has confirmed that the cub seen at the end of the first ''Lion King'' film is not Kopa; as even though Kopa already existed in the books, the film makers of ''[[The Lion King]]'' said on the film's commentary track from 1995 Laserdisc and 2003 DVD releases, that the cub in the end does not have a real name or gender. They called it "Fluffy" and didn't give it a gender. Then the other film makers from Disney decided it to be a girl and named her Kiara. As the sequel film doesn't make references to any siblings for Kiara, the cub in the end of the first film turns into Kiara, or remains "Fluffy" without a gender.

Many fans like to think that regardless of what the cub's creators have said, the seuquel's makers would've meant Kopa to be in the backstory of their film. But in fact, the sequel's makers made it impossible to be Kopa: Kovu's time of birth was before Simba returned to fight Scar, while Kovu's age in the cub scenes appears the same as Kopa's in the books. Kopa could not have been born back then because Simba and Nala hadn't even reunited yet. And there was too many months between Kovu's and Fluffy's births for them to look the same age. Also, if Kopa still somehow miraculously existed in the sequel film's story, he would've had to show in the film as according to the books' fact that he was the same age as Kovu, he would've been alive and with his family between Kiara's ceremony and the day she met Kovu. But even so, his existence would be contradicting because the books don't even mention Kopa to have a sister. All those facts make the timeline so that it's simply impossible for the cub at the end of the first film to be Kopa and for Kopa to exist at all in the film's story. Thus, if anyone wants to imagine the cub at the end of the first film to be Kopa despite of what its creators have said, they have to completely ignore the sequel film in order to make sense at all.

Kopa wasn't even created, written or developed by Disney at all, which is likely the reason why the cub in the end never was Kopa and why he wasn't taken into the movie universe even later. The first book in the series, ''A Tale of Two Brothers'' wherein Kopa first appears, is an original story created and written by the writer ''Alex Simmons'', who isn't part of The Walt Disney Company. [http://simmonshereandnow.com/ Alex Simmons' personal web site], provides that information.

The word ''kopa'' has multiple meanings in Swahili: "heart shape" as a noun, and "borrow" as a verb.

==The Lion King: Six New Adventures==

In the book series, much of the time Kopa is listening to a story by various people like Zazu or Rafiki, but he probably appeared most prominently in ''[[The_Lion_King:_Six_New_Adventures#Vulture_Shock|Vulture Shock]]''. He also had a few minor roles in some of the other books in the set of six. According to the illustrations, he looked almost exactly like Simba as a cub, except for a small tuft of brown fur on his head. He is described as loving to hear stories, but is also curious and playful, like his father was.

During ''Vulture Shock'', Kopa wanted to find his family tree, which he thought was an actual tree with fruit and leaves. After being embarrassed by [[Mega]], [[Leo]], and the other lions, the cub asks Simba to take him to it, but his father was too busy dealing with a greedy hippo, so Kopa decided he would find his family tree by himself. Finding a lizard and chasing it, trying to eat the lizard, Kopa ended up wandering too far off and was in a dry, barren land; lost and afraid that he would never find his way back to [[Pride Rock]], he curled up and fell asleep. In the morning he was found by two vultures, and realizing that the cub was the Lion King's son, the vultures knew Simba would trade anything for him, including a feast so large they would never go hungry again. They kept him prisoner high up in a tree so he couldn't escape, where Kopa was later found by the Buzzard Boyz, a group of rapping vultures who sang horribly. They befriended Kopa after the tiny cub said he liked their singing, and the gang brought Simba and Nala to him. Kopa was then rescued, and his captors were forced to listen to the Buzzard Boyz concert.
[[File:Zazukopa.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Kopa in ''How True, Zazu?'']]

In ''[[The_Lion_King:_Six_New_Adventures#A Tale of Two Brothers|A Tale of Two Brothers]]'', Rafiki tells the back story of [[Mufasa]] and [[Scar]] to Kopa, and teaches him that we shouldn't be jealous of others.

In ''[[How True, Zazu?]]'', Zazu tells Kopa about his life when he was young and how he became the King's majordomo.

==External links==
* [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/The_Lion_King/Who_was_the_cub%3F The Lion King/Who was the cub? at WikiFur]
* [http://www.mylionking.com/wiki/Fluffy Fluffy at The Lion King Wiki]

[[Category:Characters]]
[[Category:Lions]]
[[Category:Male Characters]]
[[Category:Characters from Books and Comics]]
[[Category:Characters from The Lion King: Six New Adventures]]

Kiara

2011-01-02T12:42:26Z

Superbabysimba:

{{Infobox Character
| Img = koki.png
| Img_capt = Kiara
| Nicknames = [[Fluffy]]
| Meaning = Small, Dark Thing (Swahili)
| Species = [[Lion]]
| Gender =
| Close_Relations = Mate of [[Kovu]], Daughter of [[Simba]] and [[Nala]]
| Appearances = ''[[The Lion King II: Simba's Pride]]''
| Voice_Actors = Michelle Horn (cub), Charity Sanoy (singing cub), Neve Campbell (adult), Liz Callaway (singing adult)
}}

{{Quote|I'm not just a princess, you know. That's only half of who I am!|Kiara, talking to [[Timon]] and [[Pumbaa]]}}

'''Kiara''' is [[Simba]] and [[Nala|Nala's]] daughter.

==Physical Attributes==
{{Dialogue2|Nala|Who does she remind you of?|Simba|What? Who?|Nala|She's just like you were when you were young.|[[Nala]] and [[Simba]], talking about their daughter}}
Kiara has bright orange fur as both a cub and adult. She has brownish-red eyes, similar to her father [[Simba]] and paternal grandfather, [[Mufasa]].

==Information==
{{Quote|Now, Princess Kiara, as Simba's daughter, you know better than to go off all alone.|[[Pumbaa]]}}
Kiara is the daughter of [[Simba]] and [[Nala]]. She is the mate of [[Kovu]] as an adult, and appears in ''The Lion King II: Simba's Pride''. She is voiced by Michelle Horn as a cub, Charity Sanoy as a singing cub, Neve Campbell as an adult, and Liz Callaway as a singing adult. "Kiara" is an Irish name meaning "small dark thing".

Kiara first appears in the Presentation at the beginning of Simba's Pride. She is carried to [[Rafiki]] in her mother's mouth before being raised up for all the animals to see. After the presentation, Rafiki holds Kiara for her parents to nuzzle. [[Pumbaa]] and [[Timon]] are shocked to find out that Kiara is a girl.

In early production of the second Lion King movie, her name was going to be "Shani", however this was changed to Kiara late into production.

==The Lion King II: Simba's Pride==
===Cub Kiara===
{{Dialogue4|Simba|If something happened to you, I don't know what I'd do. One day I won't be here... and I need you to carry on in my place. You are part of the great Circle of...|Kiara|Circle of Life, I know.|Simba|Exactly. And you need to be careful. As future Queen...|Kiara|But what if I don't wanna be Queen? It's no fun.|Simba|That's like saying you don't want to be a lion. It's in your blood... as I am. We are part of each other.|Simba and Kiara}}

[[File:Cub Kiara.jpg|thumb|Kiara As A Cub|200 px]]
Kiara grows up to be a strong-headed cub. Although desperate for adventure. Simba is extremely over-protective of her and sends Timon and Pumbaa, her babysitters, to watch over her as she explores the Pride Lands. Grasping the opportunity, Kiara sneaks away from her bumbling babysitters as they start arguing about bugs, and wanders into the [[Outlands]] . Crossing a log, Kiara bumps into another lion cub. Although threatened when the other cub growls at her, Kiara determinedly stays face-to-face with him. When he asks her what she's doing, she replies, "My father told me to never turn your back on an Outsider." The other cub mocks her and calls her "Daddy's little girl". The other cub brags he can take care of himself, and walks confidently onto a stone in the middle of a swamp. Kiara follows, unaware that the stones are actually crocodiles. As the two cubs race to get away from the hungry reptiles, the Outsider cub falls into the water. As a crocodile is about to sink his sharp teeth into him, Kiara jumps on his head, shutting his jaws.

After they escape, the dark cub introduces himself as Kovu. The two cubs laugh and Kiara playfully tags him. Kovu doesn't understand what Kiara is doing. She picks up on this and responds by growling playfully at him. Kovu growls back, but as soon as he does so Simba leaps in front of Kiara. At the same time, [[Zira]], Kovu's mother, leaps in front of her cub. The two parents roar in protection of their offspring. After a brief introduction, Simba growls to Zira, "We're finished here." Zira replies, "Oh no, Simba; we have barely begun," before laughing menacingly and slinking off with Kovu. The two small cubs whisper goodbye to each other.

On the way home, Simba stops to tell Kiara that he was disappointed with her (like when [[Mufasa]] was disappointed with him for venturing into the [[Elephant Graveyard]]). He tells her that she could have been killed, and reminds her of the "Great Circle of Life." She tirelessly finishes his sentence, and Simba tells her of the responsibilities of being a Queen. Kiara says that she doesn't want to be Queen, to which Simba replies, "that's like saying you don't want to be a lion." He tells her that they are part of each other, and sings to her about them being "One."

=== Adult Kiara ===
{{Dialogue3|Lionesses|Wow, her first hunt! You must be so proud, Nala. Here she is!|Rafiki|Kiara.|Lionesses|Good luck, Kiara! She'll be great. Her first hunt! You can do it! It's your day, Kiara. Good luck, Kiara!|[[Sarafina]]|My, how you've grown!|Random lionesses, Rafiki, and [[Sarafina]]}}
Years pass and Kiara grows into a slender young lioness. On her first hunt, she pleads with her father to let her do it on her own. Simba promises, but sends Timon and Pumbaa to watch her anyway. Kiara fails to hunt well, and after sending a herd of topi stampeding away from her, discovers Timon and Pumbaa. Realizing that her father broke his promise, Kiara runs away from the Pride Lands. Zira's plan begins, and she instructs her two elder cubs, Nuka and Vitani, to set the Pride Lands ablaze. Kiara, trapped in the raging flames, makes a last attempt to escape. She jumps onto a ledge and faints out of exhaustion, but not before she sees a young lion looking over her. The lion picks her up and carries her to the Pride Lands. Waking up, Kiara asks where she is; the lion replies, "You're safe in the Pride Lands." Kiara surprises the other lion with an angry outburst of abuse as to why he brought her here. The lion replies that he saved her life. Kiara attempts to walk away, but the other lion blocks her, mirroring the actions of the two cubs years before. Kiara then realizes that the young lion is Kovu.

[[Image:Kiarakovu.jpg|thumb|left|Kiara And Kovu|200 px]]
Suddenly, Simba appears, followed by Nala and Zazu. Simba confronts Kovu, who growls back. Rafiki appears and indirectly tells Simba that Kovu saved his daughter's life. Simba questions Kovu's motives for saving her, to which Kovu replies he has left the Outsiders and is a rogue. He asks to join Simba's pride. Simba reluctantly agrees, following his father's law on repaying debts, but he allows him in on judgment. Kiara is delighted at the news. That night, Kovu offers to teach Kiara how to become a better hunter. She accepts his offer and suggests they start at dawn.

[[File:Kiara-kiara-7338745-850-504.png|thumb|200 px|Kiara After Zira's Death]]

The next morning, Kovu watches Simba as he drinks at the waterhole. Kovu is ready to attack, when Kiara jumps in front of him. She excitedly jumps around and urges Kovu to start the lesson. Kovu growls, as his first attempt to kill Simba fails. While tirelessly training Kiara, Kovu shows her an example. He unintentionally pounces on Timon. who for once, he explains, is not following Kiara. He tells the lions that the birds are eating all the grubs. Kiara shows a confused Kovu how to roar and scare the birds away. Laughing, Kiara and Kovu run through the birds, making them scatter. Kovu is puzzled and asks Kiara what this training is for. She replies that this is just for fun, and Kovu doesn't understand; but soon finds out when a crash of rhinos chase the lions. Kiara, Kovu, Timon, and Pumbaa hide in a rock crevice as the rhinos run past. After the stampede, the four of them wriggle out, but as they do so Kiara and Kovu are pushed close together. Both of the lions are embarrassed, and walk back off to Pride Rock.
[[Image:Adult Kiara.jpg|200px|thumb|left]]
That night, Kiara and Kovu are gazing at the stars, trying to make pictures out of the arrangement of the stars. Kiara spots a baby rabbit, and Kovu sees two lions fighting. He also admits he's never done anything like this before. Kiara is shocked and tells Kovu she used to do this all the time with her father, and that the "Great Kings of the Past" look down on them from the stars. Kovu wonders if Scar's star is up there. Troubled, he tries to leave, but Rafiki stops him and takes him and Kiara to Upendi, which is a sort of mirage, but it encourages the lions to like each other more. They sing to themselves afterwards as they make their way back to Pride Rock.
[[File:KiaraConcept1.jpg|thumb|left|Concept Artwork of Kiara escaping the fire, with [[Vitani]] running off in the background.]]
[[File:KiaraKovuConcept.jpg|thumb|right|Concept Artwork of Kiara and Kovu.]]
The next day, Kiara is surprised and pleased that her father wants to talk to Kovu, but is shocked when Simba returns injured. He explains to her that Kovu and the Outsiders ambushed him. Kiara doesn't believe Kovu would do a thing like that. Later that day, Kovu returns to the Pride Lands with a fresh scar inflicted by Zira, denying that he had anything to do with the ambush. Kiara pleads with Simba to believe him. Simba silences her and exiles Kovu. Kiara is angry at her father, and shouts at him, "You will never be Mufasa!" Upset, she escapes from Pride Rock and runs away to find Kovu.

After searching, Kiara gives up. She's overjoyed when she notices Kovu standing behind her. They laugh together and lie down next to a pool. Kovu looks at their reflection, which has merged through the ripples. He says to her, "Look, we are one." Kiara recognizes what he says and understands that she and Kovu cannot leave; otherwise the [[Pridelanders]] and the Outsiders will be divided forever.

She and Kovu race back, only to find their two prides fighting bitterly against each other. Just as Simba and Zira are about to have a showdown, Kiara and Kovu jump in front of their parents. Kiara explains to her father that "We are one", and that there is no need to fight, as the Outsiders and the Pridelanders are all one. Starting with Vitani, all of the Outsider lionesses cross over to Simba's pride. In a last attempt to fulfill Scar's plan, Zira leaps at Simba; but Kiara jumps in her way. The two lionesses tumble down into the gorge. Kiara manages to hang onto a rock, but Zira struggles to hang onto the cliff face. Kiara offers to help Zira, but Zira refuses and slips away into the churning water below. Kiara is helped back up the cliff by Simba, where she is greeted by her mother and the two prides. Kovu is relieved to see Kiara is all right, and when Simba sees Kiara and Kovu together, admits he was wrong about him. The two prides join, and Simba, Nala, Kiara, and Kovu ascend Pride Rock to roar out their kingdom.

==Songs==

* [[We Are One]]
* [[Upendi]]
* [[Love Will Find a Way]]

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Fluffy

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{{Infobox Character
| Img = Fluffy.jpg
| Img_size = 180px
| Img_capt = Fluffy, Kiara
| Species = Lion
| Appearances = [[The Lion King (film)]], [[The Lion King II: Simba's Pride]], and in numerous books.
| Close_Relations = Father [[Simba]], Mother [[Nala]], Uncle [[Scar]], Grandfather [[Mufasa]] and grandmother [[Sarabi]].
}}

{{Quote|Let's just end on the next generation. Here's Fluffy, Simba and Nala's new little cub. Let's just end on Fluffy.|The Lion King film makers, on the 1995 commentary track of the film, refering to the cub at the end.}}

'''Fluffy''' is what the cub at the end of [[The Lion King (film)|The Lion King]] film was officially called until later given the identity of [[Kiara]] in the official storyline.

==Appearance==
Fluffy looks a lot like its father [[Simba]] did as a baby. It has very similar facial features, golden brown fur, paler toes, and big, black pupils without irises. But couple of noticable differences can be found: it has black ear rings whereas Simba didn't and it doesn't have fruit juice 'paint' on its forehead unlike Simba did.

==Information==
===After The Lion King===
After the release of the film in June 1994, the cub became very popular object of speculation as for who it is. The film's content itself doesn't say anything about the cub apart from its outside appearence. No name or gender is given. Because of the look-alike appearence to Simba and how no female had been seen with a golden brown fur, many believed it to be a boy and many still refuse to believe it's not. Even the ear rings make some absolutely certain that it's a boy, even though Simba as a baby didn't have them and Simba's mother [[Sarabi]] does have them. And even though the fruit juice paint was an essential part of Simba's blessing ceremony in the beginning, the lack of it at the point where the only known baby boy had it, implies that it might be a girl after all - especially when combined to the fact about the ear ring matter.

The original design making its gender unclear and many believing it to be a boy, resulted in some outsider writers creating childrens' books wherein it was visioned as a son. And as no official sequel to the film was in plans, Disney's book apartment approved them, forming a semi-official book universe out of a collection of profit fanfiction stories that contradict each others. In 1994, few months after the film, was published the book series [[The Lion King: Six New Adventures]], which became the most popular but remained quite unknown as it was released only in USA. In it, Simba and [[Nala]] have a son named [[Kopa]]. In 1995 the film's creators released a commentary track for the Laserdisc release of the film, wherein they called the cub "Fluffy" and didn't refer to it either a 'he' or 'she' - even though Kopa was in Disney's copyrights and there would've been no harm done by turning the cub into him. By Fluffy, they made clear they didn't want Kopa to be the cub in the film, that in the official story the cub would remain without a gender or real name.

Soon enough Disney's film makers started to create an official sequel film, but the crew was all different from those who created the canon film. A rumour has it that the sequel's creators were planning to write two cubs, a boy named Chaka and a girl who had several name options, but cut the boy out in early production and developed the story only with the girl. In 1998, [[The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride]] film was released and Fluffy had finally gotten an official gender and name: a girl [[Kiara]].

===After The Lion King II: Simba's Pride===
But as Kiara's design and the ceremony are obviously different from the first film's version, it has caused confusion among fans - especially those who know about Kopa in the books. There are a few fan theories to connect Kopa into the story, of which the most popular is that [[Zira]] killed Kopa before the film's beginning despite of the fact that a loss of an earlier child doesn't make sense to about a twenty facts in the film's story.

And those who correctly do their math on the character timelines the two films combined provide, find out that it doesn't even leave room for any older siblings to Kiara, the very least for Kopa: Kopa from the books and Zira's son [[Kovu]] from the sequel film are the same age yet Kovu was born before Simba even met Nala. The first film's creators say Fluffy was the next generation so there was no one between Kovu and Fluffy. Fluffy was born when the Pridelands were all green and alive and all the herds had returned, which must have taken at least a year which is too much time between Kovu and Fluffy's births for them to even look the same age. But it's just enough time for Kovu and Kiara's age difference. (Kovu 2+ years old judging by the head tuft, Kiara 7+ months old judging by the tail tuft, resulting in about a year of age difference.)

Why they remade the cub's ceremony scene is unknown but it was likely in order to fit in the opening song like the one in the first film. Why they redesigned the cub, is unknown but likely they wanted it to look more obviously female, or just less like Simba as in more personal and individual appearence instead of a clone of her father. Whatever the motive, the act is ''retroactive continuity'' that is very common in works of fictional series.

One essential thing remains common between Fluffy and Kiara and the ceremony scenes: neither have the fruit juice paint on them when [[Rafiki]] holds them up for the kingdom to see. Kiara gets the paint after Rafiki takes her down. Thus, the continuity doesn't completely lack and Kiara and Fluffy blend into one on a practical level.

Fluffy is Kiara in the entity of the movie universe, which forms the official story of The Lion King, while the first film's commentary track proves Fluffy never was even supposed to be officially anyone until Kiara.

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File:Fluffy.jpg

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Superbabysimba:

Fluffy at the end of The Lion King film. File copyrighted to Walt Disney Pictures. I don't remember where I found this from but use is non-profit for educational purposes only.

File:Fluffy.jpg

2011-01-02T06:19:36Z

Superbabysimba: Fluffy at the end of The Lion King film.

Fluffy at the end of The Lion King film.

The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride

2011-01-02T05:39:47Z

Superbabysimba: /* Plot */ Again, let's stick to what's literally been said in the film...

{{Infobox Movie
| Img = 353px-SimbasPrideVHS.jpg
| Img_capt =
| Original_Release = October 27, 1998
| Director = Darrell Rooney
| Producer = Jeannine Roussel
| Running_Time = 75 minutes
}}

The Lion King II: Simba's Pride (later retitled The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride) is an American direct-to-video film released by the Walt Disney Company on October 27, 1998, as a sequel to the 1994 film [[The Lion King]]. It was later re-released as a special edition DVD (which altered the original title's "II" into "2") on August 31, 2004.

The film centers around [[Simba]]'s daughter, [[Kiara]], who falls in love with [[Kovu]], a male lion who was raised in a pride of [[Scar]]'s followers, who are [[Simba]]'s enemies. Desperate to be together, they must overcome the two obstacles that are keeping them apart: Kovu's mother, [[Zira|Zira]], and Simba.

This film was not rated until the two-disc Special Edition was released. It was then given a G rating by the MPAA.

While the original film's plot seems to have been inspired on the Shakespeare play Hamlet, this sequel's plot is similar to another Shakespeare play, Romeo and Juliet.

== Plot ==

The film starts with the presentation of [[Simba]] and [[Nala]] 's new cub [[Kiara]]. When [[Kiara]] is older, she runs from her suffocating babysitters [[Timon]] and [[Pumbaa]] and sneaks across the borders of her father's kingdom to the '[[Outlands]]', where she encounters an "[[Outsider]]" cub named [[Kovu]]. The two soon get into trouble when they find themselves in a river surrounded by crocodiles. Luckily, [[Kovu]] "bravely" distracts them long enough for the two to escape. The cubs become friends, and [[Kiara]] attempts to initiate a game of tag, only to find [[Kovu]] has no idea how to play. In a bid to relax him, she playfully growls, but when [[Kovu]] retaliates, out of nowhere [[Simba]] appears. [[Kovu]]'s mother [[Zira]] , who had been watching from the bushes, also emerges.

The two face off as [[Simba]]'s pride appears, and [[Zira]] reveals that the [[Outsiders]] were exiled by [[Simba]] and at least she herself appears to remain loyal to [[Scar]], and that [[Kovu]] was [[Scar]]'s heir to the throne – and therefore a threat to [[Simba]]. However, [[Simba]] is unwilling to hurt a cub and orders the duo to leave, much to [[Kiara]] and [[Kovu]]'s dismay. As they journey home, [[Simba]] scolds his daughter for breaking the rules and endangering herself, reminding her that one day she will be a queen.

Meanwhile in the [[Outlands]], [[Zira]]'s adult cub [[Nuka]] complains to his younger sister [[Vitani]] about [[Kovu]] being "The Chosen One", when as the eldest the honor should be his. At that moment, [[Zira]] returns and scolds her two sons. She mocks [[Kovu]]'s claim that he and [[Kiara]] are friends. She then realizes that, by using [[Kiara]], [[Kovu]] can get close enough to [[Simba]] to murder him and take the throne. Thus, he can avenge [[Scar]]'s death. Alone in his tree, [[Rafiki]] communicates with [[Mufasa]]'s spirit, and voices his fear of [[Zira]] and mistrust of [[Kovu]], brought up with hate in his heart. [[Mufasa]] however, has his own plan – [[Kovu]] and [[Kiara]] will be together, and unite the two prides.

Time passes and [[Kovu]] grows into an adult. He is molded by [[Zira]] into the perfect assassin, with only one goal in mind: kill [[Simba]]. [[Kiara]] has also grown, and, keen to go on her first solo hunt, makes [[Simba]] promise he will let her do it alone. However, [[Simba]] sends [[Timon]] and [[Pumbaa]] after her to ensure her safety. [[Kiara]] is unable to catch anything, but is furious at her father when she finds he has lied and sent the duo to track her. [[Nuka]] and [[Vitani]] watch the events before lighting a series of fires around [[Kiara]], trapping her. [[Kiara]] faints from the smoke as [[Kovu]] appears, as part of [[Zira]]'s plan, and carries her back to the [[Pride Lands]]. Though angry at first that he has interfered, [[Kiara]] soon recognizes her old friend. However [[Simba]], drawn by the sight of smoke, appears. [[Kovu]] lies and claims that he has left the [[Outsiders]] to become a rogue, and asks to join [[Simba]]'s pride.

[[Simba]] is suspicious of [[Kovu]]'s story and motives. However, he is forced by law to acknowledge that he owes [[Kovu]] a debt which must be paid. He allows [[Kovu]] to stay at [[Pride Rock]], but makes him sleep outside, separate from the lionesses. Despite this, [[Kiara]] thanks him for saving her and the two arrange for him to give her a hunting lesson the next morning. That night, [[Simba]] dreams of the day his father died. In it, [[Scar]] holds [[Simba]] back to prevent him from reaching [[Mufasa]] , telling him 'trust me'. As [[Mufasa]] falls to his death, a laughing [[Scar]] morphs into [[Kovu]], who throws [[Simba]] from the cliff.

The next morning [[Kovu]] attempts to teach [[Kiara]] to hunt properly, but the two stumble on [[Timon]] and [[Pumbaa]], whose favorite feeding ground has been taken over by birds. They enlist the help of the lions to scare the birds off, but it soon turns into a game. [[Kovu]], who has never played or had any real fun in his life, is confused by this new "training", but quickly starts to enjoy himself.

That night, as [[Kovu]] and [[Kiara]] stargaze, he questions whether [[Scar]] is considered one of the "Great Kings", and [[Kiara]] is visibly startled. He confesses that although [[Scar]] was not his real father, he was still a part of who Kovu is, but fears that part may be the darkness that made [[Scar]] evil. As [[Kiara]] and [[Kovu]] embrace, [[Simba]] watches unseen, and asks the skies for guidance. [[Nala]] tells him that although [[Simba]] wants to walk the path expected of him, [[Kovu]] may not, and should be given a chance. As [[Simba]] leaves to ponder this, [[Kovu]] tries to pull away from [[Kiara]], almost confessing his part in the plot against her father. Despite [[Kiara]]'s please, he attempts to leave, but [[Rafiki]] stops him. [[Kovu]] and [[Kiara]] fall in love, and after returning home that night, [[Simba]] invites [[Kovu]] to sleep inside with the rest of the pride. [[Vitani]] watches [[Kovu]] give up a prime opportunity to murder [[Simba]] and reports back to [[Zira]].

[[Kovu]] eventually resolves to confess his true intentions to [[Kiara]], but before he can do so [[Simba]] takes him aside for a private conversation. The two walk into the area that had been burned in the earlier bushfire, and [[Simba]] tells [[Kovu]] the true story of [[Scar]] . [[Kovu]] finally realizes he has been lied to, but [[Simba]] reassures him that, like the green roots springing through the ash, what is 'left behind can grow better than the generation before – if given the chance'. However, [[Zira]] decides to take matters into her own hands and organizes an ambush. The [[Outlanders]] chase [[Simba]] into a gorge, where he begins to scale a wall of logs to escape. [[Nuka]], in an attempt to prove himself, tries to follow, but slips and is crushed. [[Kovu]], who had watched the scene from above, tries to dig him out, but is shoved roughly aside by his mother. [[Zira]] lifts up a log to see her eldest son barely alive. He apologizes for failing her before dying. [[Zira]] blames [[Kovu]] for [[Nuka]]'s death and slashes him across the face, scarring [[Kovu]] in an identical manner to [[Scar]]. Kovu defies his mother for the first time and runs back to the [[Pride Lands]]. [[Zira]] tells the other [[Outlanders]] that [[Simba]] has turned [[Kovu]] against them and declares war.

Meanwhile, [[Simba]] has escaped but is badly injured. Luckily, [[Kiara]], [[Timon]], and [[Pumbaa]] find him and take him back to [[Pride Rock]] [[Kiara]] refuses to believe that [[Kovu]] could be behind the attack, but she is the only one. [[Kovu]] returns and begs forgiveness. [[Simba]] refuses and exiles him, and the other animals drive him out. [[Kiara]], confined to [[Pride Rock]], breaks out and goes searching for [[Kovu]]. As she is about to give up, [[Kovu]] appears and the two are reunited. [[Kiara]] realizes they have to go back and stop the fighting, telling a dismayed [[Kovu]] that if they run away, the two prides will be divided forever.

 [[Image:Sp25 15.jpg|left|200px]]

Meanwhile, the [[Outlanders]] march on the [[Pride Lands]]. [[Simba]] leads his lionesses to meet them, and the two clans fight. The [[Outlanders]] gain the upper hand, and [[Zira]] steps in to finish [[Simba]] off herself. However, before the two can strike, [[Kovu]] and [[Kiara]] leap in between them. [[Kiara]] pleads with her father to stop the feud and tells him that a wise king once told her 'we are one', and that there is no 'they' or 'us', but 'they are us'. [[Zira]] orders [[Vitani]] to attack, but she refuses, to which [[Zira]] furiously replies that she will die along with the [[Pridelanders]]. In disgust, the other [[Outsiders]] change sides. While [[Simba]] is momentarily distracted by the sound of the river dam cracking, [[Zira]] tries to attack, but [[Kiara]] interferes, sending them both over the cliff. [[Kiara]] lands on a jutting rock but [[Zira]] continues to slide down towards the raging river. [[Kiara]] extends her paw to try and pull [[Zira]] up, but the bitter lioness, like [[Scar]], is unable to let go of her hate, and falls to her death. [[Simba]] announces he was wrong about [[Kovu]] and invites the [[Outsiders]] back home. All the animals in the kingdom gather as [[Simba]], [[Nala]], [[Kovu]] and [[Kiara]] roar proudly on top of [[Pride Rock]].

== Trivia ==

*The story is meant to be a modern take on [[wikipedia:William%20Shakespeare|William Shakespeare's]] theatrical play [[wikipedia:Romeo%20and%20Juliet|Romeo and Juliet]], only without [[Kovu|Romeo]] and [[Kiara|Juliet]] dying.

== Also See ==

*A list of the mistakes and continuity errors in this movie can be [[The Lion King Series Movie Mistakes|found here]].

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Outsiders

2011-01-02T05:34:38Z

Superbabysimba: The film never states or shows that anyone but Zira felt loyalty to Scar, nor that Simba would've exiled all of them for loyalty. Again, he only talks about them being Scar's heir as for the reason.

{{Infobox Group
| Img = Outlanders encircle Simba and Kovu.jpg
| Img_capt = The Outlanders encircle [[Simba]] and [[Kovu]].
| Appearances = [[The Lion King II: Simba's Pride]]
| Home = [[The Outlands]]
| Leader = [[Zira]]
| Notable_members = [[Zira]]

[[Vitani]]

[[Nuka]]

[[Kovu]]
}}

{{Dialogue1|Zazu|Nothing there but a bunch of back-stabbing, murderous Outsiders....|Simba|Zazu's right. You can't turn your back on them.|Simba and Zazu talking to Kiara}}

The '''Outlanders''', also known in some parts of the movie as the ''Outsiders'', are a pride of lions that were banished by [[Simba]] to [[the Outlands]] because of them being Scar's heir. The Outlanders only appear in [[The Lion King II: Simba's Pride]]. The leader of the Outlanders is [[Zira]], who is the mother of [[Kovu]], [[Nuka]], and [[Vitani]], and the only one of the exiled who is confirmed to feel loyalty to [[Scar]]. At the end of the movie, all of the remaining Outlanders are allowed to rejoin the Pridelanders after Simba realizes his mistake, thus dissolving the Outlanders pride.

==Physical Differences to the [[Pridelanders]]==
[[File:DotEyedOutsider.png|thumb|left]]
While the lionesses in Simba's pride have a golden colored fur, the Outlander lionesses have slightly more muted and dull fur tones, and in comparison, the Outlander lionesses are much thinner than the ones in Simba's pride, possibly due to the fact the Outlands have "little food... less water..." (as stated by Zira).

Throughout the movie, some of the Outlander lionesses have been shown to have unique facial markings or small scars. Two such lionesses appear twice, known by some fans as [[Spotty]] and [[Dotty]], although they never speak, they have a distinct pattern of spots under their eyes, making them readily discernible from their fellow Outlanders. Other lionesses with unique facial features have also been seen, such as one with tufts of fur around her neck and head, and one with a small spot on her lower right chin, known as [[Beauty-spot]], and one with a hair tuft very similar to Vitani's.

==External Links==

*[http://www.lionking.org/~vakasi/outsiders.html A list of all of the current known Lioness with facial differences/abnormalities].

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Kovu

2011-01-02T05:07:25Z

Superbabysimba: /* Cub Kovu */ The film never said they were exiled because of loyalty to Scar. Zira evidently had that but the rest, not necessarely. Simba only said he can't accept them becsue they're Scar's heir.

{{Infobox Character
| Img = Kovu Adult.jpg
| Img_capt = Kovu
| Nicknames =
| Meaning = Scar
| Species = [[Lion]]
| Gender =
| Close_Relations = Mate of [[Kiara]], Adopted Son of [[Scar]], Son of [[Zira]], Brother of [[Nuka]] and [[Vitani]], Son-in-law of [[Simba]] and [[Nala]]
| Appearances = ''[[The Lion King II: Simba's Pride]]''
| Voice_Actors = Ryan O'Donohue (cub), Jason Marsden (adult), Gene Miller (adult singing voice)
}}

{{Quote|I know he's following in [[Scar]]'s pawprints.|[[Simba]], talking to [[Kiara]] about Kovu}}

'''Kovu''' is [[Scar|Scar's]] adopted heir.

==Physical Attributes==
{{Q|Maybe there's a darkness in me too.|Kovu}}Kovu is a brown-colored lion with a dark brown mane and tail-tip and a muscular build. His eyes are emerald green with yellow scleras. As an adult he has a scar over his left eye that he received from Zira.

==Info==
{{Quote|Father, I am lost. Kovu is one of them. Scar's heir. How can I accept him?|[[Simba]], trying to seek advice from [[Mufasa]] about Kovu}}
Kovu is the son of [[Zira]] and an unknown lion in the fictional Lion King universe. He is also a half-brother of [[Nuka]] and half-brother to [[Vitani]]. He was originally intended to be the son of [[Scar]] but this was changed as this would make him related to [[Kiara]], [[Simba]]'s daughter. Instead, he became Scar's adopted son. Scar chose Kovu as the lion to follow in his paw prints and become king of the Pride Lands. He is voiced by Ryan O'Donohue.

==The Lion King II: Simba's Pride==
===Cub Kovu===
{{Quote|Oh, haven't you met my son, Kovu? He was hand-chosen by [[Scar]] to follow in his pawprints, and become King!|[[Zira]] to [[Simba]]}}
[[File:Kovu.png|thumb|left|200px]]
Kovu is a cub in the part of Simba's pride that has been exiled to the [[Outlands]] due to them being Scar's heir. (Zira is non-existent in the first film as are Kovu, Nuka, Vitani and the lionesses who will make up her future pride).

When he first appears in the film he is out with his brother Nuka (although later we find out he went off on his own and Nuka left him and went back home.) when Kiara tumbles down from a log and crashes into him. Kovu reacts aggressively at first but soon begins to tease Kiara for being "daddy's little girl". As the two wander to a body of water they are attacked by crocodiles. The cubs evade the crocodiles and began to play, but are interrupted by Zira and Simba. The two confront each other, before picking up their cubs and leaving.

Later, Zira yells at Kovu for being friendly towards a [[Pridelander]]. Kovu says that he thought that he and Kiara could become friends. Zira forms a plan to get Kovu into the Pride Lands and kill Simba when he has gained enough trust. Meanwhile, Simba tells Kiara that they are "one".

[[File:ImKiara.jpg|thumb|Kovu and Kiara]]

===Adult Kovu===
{{Quote|Nice... very nice. You have the same blackness in your soul that Scar had.|Zira, examining the grown-up Kovu}}
Zira trains and conditions Kovu until he is grown. She sends him out to kill Simba along with Vitani and Nuka, who start a fire while Kiara is out on her first hunt. When the fire has taken hold, Zira sends Kovu out into the fire to rescue Kiara. Kovu manages to save Kiara and is confronted by Simba again, who reluctantly allows Kovu to join the pride.

Kovu makes fun of Kiara's amateur hunting skills at first, but later agrees to help her.

That night, Kovu appears in Simba's climatic nightmare. Simba attempts to help Mufasa from the gorge in which he died in the first film. Scar appears on the ledge, mocking and cackling at Simba's inability to help his father. After Mufasa falls Scar morphs into Kovu and kills Simba, and Simba wakes. The next day, Kovu prepares to attack Simba while Simba is alone and drinking from the water hole, but Kiara interrupts him to begin the hunting lesson. The pair soon stumble upon Timon and Pumbaa who are trying to chase some birds away from their favorite feeding site. The two lions roar, scattering the birds. They all chase the birds until angering a crash of rhinoceroses. In escaping from the rhinos, Kovu and Kiara accidentally kiss.

That night Kovu and Kiara lie under stars and look at star formations. This leads them to offhandedly start talking about Kovu's past. Kiara starts to nuzzle him when he expresses his fear of becoming like Scar, but Kovu leaves when he is unable to tell her his true intentions. Rafiki intervenes and takes them to a place called Upendi, which means "love" in Swahili.

[[File:Kiko.png|thumb|left|200 px|Kiara and Kovu]]

As they venture back to Pride Rock, Kovu has Simba on his own. Now seeing a better life with Kiara in the Pride Lands, he refuses to attack Kiara's father. Vitani waits for Kovu to attack, and reports back to an angry Zira when he doesn't.

The next morning, Kovu resolves to confess to Kiara his true reasons for coming to the Pride Lands and he has abandoned the plot. However, before Kovu can do so, Simba takes Kovu out for a walk through the fire-ravaged Pride Lands. As they walk, they discuss the true nature of Scar, but they are ambushed by Zira and the Outlanders. Zira congratulates Kovu, but Kovu panics as he realizes he inadvertently completed the plot he abandoned. Kovu attempts to save Simba, but one of the Outsiders knocks him into a rock, rendering him unconscious.

Simba is attacked and falls into a gorge where a log dam is holding back the river. Simba climbs the log dam to safety and Kovu has a chance to attack him, but doesn't. Nuka, wanting to impress Zira, climbs the log dam and manages to grab Simba's ankle, but is killed when some logs dislodge and crush him. Zira blames Nuka's death on Kovu and slashes him across the face, giving Kovu a scar resembling Scar's. As Zira demands to her son to admit his responsibility for killing his brother, Kovu's stands up to his mother for the first time and runs back to the Pride Lands, where he is promptly exiled by Simba.

Kiara, distraught, runs away to find Kovu. The two meet in the grasslands and proclaim their love that transcends their pride's rivalry. Kovu wishes to run away with Kiara to start their own pride. Kiara refuses, saying that they must return to try and unite their divided prides. They both run back to the Pride Lands, crossing the log dam that has now been weakened, attempting to stop a fight between the two prides. Kovu and Kiara stop the fight, but Zira leaps at Simba. Kiara knocks her aside and the two tumble into a gorge where Zira refuses to take Kiara's paw and falls into the river and drowns (although in the original planning Zira lets go of the cliff and commits suicide, this idea was thrown out because the creators didn't think kids could handle the act of suicide).

The now united prides return to Pride Rock where Kovu and Kiara are married with him becoming her prince consort. With order restored, Simba, Nala, Kiara and Kovu roar out across the kingdom while the spirit of Mufasa praises his son for his wisdom.

==Trivia==
*He was originally scripted as the son of Scar, but realizing the incestuous undertones this would have had with his romance with Kiara (as Kovu would have been her first cousin, once removed), it was scrapped and clarified that he had no relation to Scar, and was his adopted son.

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Kopa

2010-12-30T09:28:39Z

Superbabysimba: Rephrased a sentence to be clearer.

{{Infobox Character
| Img = Kopa.png
| Img_capt = Kopa
| Nicknames =
| Meaning = Heart shape
| Species = [[Lion]]
| Gender =
| Close_Relations = Great-Great-Grandson To [[Mohatu]], Great-Grandson To [[Ahadi]] And [[Uru]], and only in the books grandson to [[Mufasa]] and [[Sarabi]] and son To [[Simba]] and [[Nala]].
| Appearances = ''[[The Lion King: Six New Adventures]]''
}}

{{Quote|Great uncle [[Scar]] was a real creep!|Kopa, after hearing Rafiki's story, ''[[A Tale of Two Brothers]]''}}

'''Kopa''' is the son of [[Simba]] and [[Nala]] in a series of books in the book universe.

==Physical Attributes==
Kopa is very similar to his father in appearance when he was a child. Kopa has a few differences, like slightly darker golden-colored fur and a brownish-red tuft of hair on his head. Other than that, he looks almost identical to his dad from his cubhood, even with the same reddish-brown eye color.

==Info==
[[File:Kopa_nala_dare.png|thumb|left|Kopa, as shown in [[Nala's Dare]].]]

Kopa is a [[lion]] character in [[Disney|Disney's]] ''[[The Lion King]]'' universe. According to the set of books titled ''The Lion King: Six New Adventures'' he is the son of Simba and Nala, but he didn't appear in [[The Lion King II: Simba's Pride|''The Lion King II: Simba's Pride'']] - instead, Simba and Nala have a daughter named [[Kiara]], and Kopa's existence was never mentioned. Disney has confirmed that the cub seen at the end of the first ''Lion King'' film is not Kopa; as even though Kopa already existed in the books, the film makers of ''[[The Lion King]]'' said on the film's commentary track from 1995 Laserdisc and 2003 DVD releases, that the cub in the end does not have a real name or gender. They called it "Fluffy" and didn't give it a gender. Then the other film makers from Disney decided it to be a girl and named her Kiara. As the sequel film doesn't make references to any siblings for Kiara, the cub in the end of the first film turns into Kiara, or remains "Fluffy" without a gender.

Many fans like to think that regardless of what the cub's creators have said, the seuquel's makers would've meant Kopa to be in the backstory of their film. But in fact, the sequel's makers made it impossible to be Kopa: Kovu's time of birth was before Simba returned to fight Scar, while Kovu's age in the cub scenes appears the same as Kopa's in the books. Kopa could not have been born back then because Simba and Nala hadn't even reunited yet. And there was too many months between Kovu's and Fluffy's births for them to look the same age. Also, if Kopa still somehow miraculously existed in the sequel film's story, he would've had to show in the film as according to the books' fact that he was the same age as Kovu, he would've been alive and with his family between Kiara's ceremony and the day she met Kovu. But even so, his existence would be contradicting because the books don't even mention Kopa to have a sister. All those facts make the timeline so that it's simply impossible for the cub at the end of the first film to be Kopa and for Kopa to exist at all in the film's story. Thus, if anyone wants to imagine the cub at the end of the first film to be Kopa despite of what its creators have said, they have to completely ignore the sequel film in order to make sense at all.

Kopa wasn't even created, written or developed by Disney at all, which is likely the reason why the cub in the end never was Kopa and why he wasn't taken into the movie universe even later. The first book in the series, ''A Tale of Two Brothers'' wherein Kopa first appears, is an original story created and written by the writer ''Alex Simmons'', who isn't part of The Walt Disney Company. [http://simmonshereandnow.com/ Alex Simmons' personal web site], provides that information.

The word ''kopa'' has multiple meanings in Swahili: "heart shape" as a noun, and "borrow" as a verb.

==The Lion King: Six New Adventures==

In the book series, much of the time Kopa is listening to a story by various people like Zazu or Rafiki, but he probably appeared most prominently in ''[[The_Lion_King:_Six_New_Adventures#Vulture_Shock|Vulture Shock]]''. He also had a few minor roles in some of the other books in the set of six. According to the illustrations, he looked almost exactly like Simba as a cub, except for a small tuft of brown fur on his head. He is described as loving to hear stories, but is also curious and playful, like his father was.

During ''Vulture Shock'', Kopa wanted to find his family tree, which he thought was an actual tree with fruit and leaves. After being embarrassed by [[Mega]], [[Leo]], and the other lions, the cub asks Simba to take him to it, but his father was too busy dealing with a greedy hippo, so Kopa decided he would find his family tree by himself. Finding a lizard and chasing it, trying to eat the lizard, Kopa ended up wandering too far off and was in a dry, barren land; lost and afraid that he would never find his way back to [[Pride Rock]], he curled up and fell asleep. In the morning he was found by two vultures, and realizing that the cub was the Lion King's son, the vultures knew Simba would trade anything for him, including a feast so large they would never go hungry again. They kept him prisoner high up in a tree so he couldn't escape, where Kopa was later found by the Buzzard Boyz, a group of rapping vultures who sang horribly. They befriended Kopa after the tiny cub said he liked their singing, and the gang brought Simba and Nala to him. Kopa was then rescued, and his captors were forced to listen to the Buzzard Boyz concert.
[[File:Zazukopa.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Kopa in ''How True, Zazu?'']]

In ''[[The_Lion_King:_Six_New_Adventures#A Tale of Two Brothers|A Tale of Two Brothers]]'', Rafiki tells the back story of [[Mufasa]] and [[Scar]] to Kopa, and teaches him that we shouldn't be jealous of others.

In ''[[How True, Zazu?]]'', Zazu tells Kopa about his life when he was young and how he became the King's majordomo.

==External links==
* [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/The_Lion_King/Who_was_the_cub%3F The Lion King/Who was the cub? at WikiFur]

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Kopa

2010-12-30T05:07:49Z

Superbabysimba: Thought this would be useful information for the topic as well as clarifying, it being based on facts directly from the film and the books.

{{Infobox Character
| Img = Kopa.png
| Img_capt = Kopa
| Nicknames =
| Meaning = Heart shape
| Species = [[Lion]]
| Gender =
| Close_Relations = Great-Great-Grandson To [[Mohatu]], Great-Grandson To [[Ahadi]] And [[Uru]], and only in the books grandson to [[Mufasa]] and [[Sarabi]] and son To [[Simba]] and [[Nala]].
| Appearances = ''[[The Lion King: Six New Adventures]]''
}}

{{Quote|Great uncle [[Scar]] was a real creep!|Kopa, after hearing Rafiki's story, ''[[A Tale of Two Brothers]]''}}

'''Kopa''' is the son of [[Simba]] and [[Nala]] in a series of books in the book universe.

==Physical Attributes==
Kopa is very similar to his father in appearance when he was a child. Kopa has a few differences, like slightly darker golden-colored fur and a brownish-red tuft of hair on his head. Other than that, he looks almost identical to his dad from his cubhood, even with the same reddish-brown eye color.

==Info==
[[File:Kopa_nala_dare.png|thumb|left|Kopa, as shown in [[Nala's Dare]].]]

Kopa is a [[lion]] character in [[Disney|Disney's]] ''[[The Lion King]]'' universe. According to the set of books titled ''The Lion King: Six New Adventures'' he is the son of Simba and Nala, but he didn't appear in [[The Lion King II: Simba's Pride|''The Lion King II: Simba's Pride'']] - instead, Simba and Nala have a daughter named [[Kiara]], and Kopa's existence was never mentioned. Disney has confirmed that the cub seen at the end of the first ''Lion King'' film is not Kopa; as even though Kopa already existed in the books, the film makers of ''[[The Lion King]]'' said on the film's commentary track from 1995 Laserdisc and 2003 DVD releases, that the cub in the end does not have a real name or gender. They called it "Fluffy" and didn't give it a gender. Then the other film makers from Disney decided it to be a girl and named her Kiara. As the sequel film doesn't make references to any siblings for Kiara, the cub in the end of the first film turns into Kiara, or remains "Fluffy" without a gender.

Many fans like to think that regardless of what the cub's creators have said, the seuquel's makers would've meant Kopa to be in the backstory of their film. But in fact, the sequel's makers made it impossible to be Kopa: Kovu's time of birth was before Simba returned to fight Scar, while Kovu's age in the cub scenes appears the same as Kopa's in the books. Kopa could not have been born back then because Simba and Nala hadn't even reunited yet. And there was too many months between Kovu's and Fluffy's births for them to look the same age. Also, if Kopa still somehow miraculously existed in the sequel film's story, he would've had to show in the film as according to the books he was alive and with his family between Kiara's ceremony and the day she met Kovu. But even so, his existence would be contradicting because the books don't even mention Kopa to have a sister. All those facts make the timeline so that it's simply impossible for the cub at the end of the first film to be Kopa and for Kopa to exist at all in the film's story. Thus, if anyone wants to imagine the cub at the end of the first film to be Kopa despite of what its creators have said, they have to completely ignore the sequel film in order to make sense at all.

Kopa wasn't even created, written or developed by Disney at all, which is likely the reason why the cub in the end never was Kopa and why he wasn't taken into the movie universe even later. The first book in the series, ''A Tale of Two Brothers'' wherein Kopa first appears, is an original story created and written by the writer ''Alex Simmons'', who isn't part of The Walt Disney Company. [http://simmonshereandnow.com/ Alex Simmons' personal web site], provides that information.

The word ''kopa'' has multiple meanings in Swahili: "heart shape" as a noun, and "borrow" as a verb.

==The Lion King: Six New Adventures==

In the book series, much of the time Kopa is listening to a story by various people like Zazu or Rafiki, but he probably appeared most prominently in ''[[The_Lion_King:_Six_New_Adventures#Vulture_Shock|Vulture Shock]]''. He also had a few minor roles in some of the other books in the set of six. According to the illustrations, he looked almost exactly like Simba as a cub, except for a small tuft of brown fur on his head. He is described as loving to hear stories, but is also curious and playful, like his father was.

During ''Vulture Shock'', Kopa wanted to find his family tree, which he thought was an actual tree with fruit and leaves. After being embarrassed by [[Mega]], [[Leo]], and the other lions, the cub asks Simba to take him to it, but his father was too busy dealing with a greedy hippo, so Kopa decided he would find his family tree by himself. Finding a lizard and chasing it, trying to eat the lizard, Kopa ended up wandering too far off and was in a dry, barren land; lost and afraid that he would never find his way back to [[Pride Rock]], he curled up and fell asleep. In the morning he was found by two vultures, and realizing that the cub was the Lion King's son, the vultures knew Simba would trade anything for him, including a feast so large they would never go hungry again. They kept him prisoner high up in a tree so he couldn't escape, where Kopa was later found by the Buzzard Boyz, a group of rapping vultures who sang horribly. They befriended Kopa after the tiny cub said he liked their singing, and the gang brought Simba and Nala to him. Kopa was then rescued, and his captors were forced to listen to the Buzzard Boyz concert.
[[File:Zazukopa.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Kopa in ''How True, Zazu?'']]

In ''[[The_Lion_King:_Six_New_Adventures#A Tale of Two Brothers|A Tale of Two Brothers]]'', Rafiki tells the back story of [[Mufasa]] and [[Scar]] to Kopa, and teaches him that we shouldn't be jealous of others.

In ''[[How True, Zazu?]]'', Zazu tells Kopa about his life when he was young and how he became the King's majordomo.

==External links==
* [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/The_Lion_King/Who_was_the_cub%3F The Lion King/Who was the cub? at WikiFur]

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Sarafina

2010-12-26T12:53:48Z

Superbabysimba:

{{Infobox Character
| Img = Sarafina.gif
| Img_capt = Sarafina
| Nicknames =
| Meaning = Burning One, Fiery One
| Species = [[Lion]]
| Gender =
| Close_Relations = Mother of [[Nala]] and [[Mheetu]]
| Appearances = [[The Lion King (film)]]
| Voice_Actors = [[Zoe Leader]]
}}

'''Sarafina''' is the mother of [[Nala]] and [[Mheetu]], mother-in-law of [[Simba]] and maternal grandmother of [[Kiara]].

==Physical Attributes==
Sarafina has cream fur, apple-green eyes, and colorless paws. Both her upper and lower eye shades are light, the opposite of [[Scar]]'s, which are dark.

==Information==
[[File:Sarafina.jpg|thumb|150 px|left|Sarafina and her daughter, Nala]]
Sarafina is mother of [[Nala]] and [[Mheetu]], although Mheetu does not appear in the film. In the book universe, she and a lion named [[Ni]], help rescue [[Chumvi]], [[Kula]] and [[Nala]] from Hyenas in the book, ''[[Nala's Dare]]''. In the movie, Sarafina has but one line: "Hmm...what do you think [[Sarabi]]?". She is also known to appear in The Lion King II: Simba's Pride in one scene when Kiara is about to go on her first hunt, where she says to Kiara "My, how you've grown!", however there is little evidence to say that lion is definitely her.

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Mheetu

2010-12-26T12:26:14Z

Superbabysimba: And a more accurate summary and information. He isn't Nala's brother; he WOULD have been her brother.

{{Infobox Character
| Img = Mheetu.png
| Img_capt = Mheetu
| Nicknames =
| Meaning =
| Species = [[Lion]]
| Gender =
| Close_Relations = Son of [[Sarafina]], Brother to [[Nala]], Brother-in-law to [[Simba]], Uncle to [[Kiara]]
| Appearances =
| Voice_Actors =
}}

'''Mheetu''' would have been [[Nala]]'s younger brother.

[[File:Mheetu2.png|thumb|left|Early Sketches]]
[[File:Mheetu3.png|thumb|left|Early Sketches]]

==Physical Attributes==

Mheetu is a pale lion. As a cub, he is a dark off-white color with an off-white belly, and chin. His nose is a carnation pink color. He has a tuft about the size of Simba's. His tail tuft is gray. On his hind leg are some gray spots that disappear as he grows older. As an adult, his mane is gray.

==Information==

Mheetu was supposedly Nala's younger brother in ''[[The Lion King]]'', but did not appear in the film due to time constraints; little is known about what role he would have played in the film other than his relation to Nala. He was cut out of the film, so nothing happened to him in the movie universe storyline - he was simply not part of it in the final outcome. Concept sketches of him still remain however.

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Mheetu

2010-12-26T12:22:25Z

Superbabysimba: Close relations: Removed Kopa, as Mheetu doesn't exist in the books wherein Kopa does.

{{Infobox Character
| Img = Mheetu.png
| Img_capt = Mheetu
| Nicknames =
| Meaning =
| Species = [[Lion]]
| Gender =
| Close_Relations = Son of [[Sarafina]], Brother to [[Nala]], Brother-in-law to [[Simba]], Uncle to [[Kiara]]
| Appearances =
| Voice_Actors =
}}

'''Mheetu''' is [[Nala]]'s younger brother.

[[File:Mheetu2.png|thumb|left|Early Sketches]]
[[File:Mheetu3.png|thumb|left|Early Sketches]]

==Physical Attributes==

Mheetu is a pale lion. As a cub, he is a dark off-white color with an off-white belly, and chin. His nose is a carnation pink color. He has a tuft about the size of Simba's. His tail tuft is gray. On his hind leg are some gray spots that disappear as he grows older. As an adult, his mane is gray.

==Information==

Mheetu was supposedly Nala's younger brother in ''[[The Lion King]]'', but did not appear in the film due to time constraints; little is known about him or what role he would have played in the film other than his relation to Nala. In some stories they say that [[Scar]] killed him. Concept sketches of him still remain however.

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The Lion King (title)

2010-12-25T23:38:11Z

Superbabysimba: More specific info to the summary. Seperated the book/comic and the movie universes as they truly are. Removed SP film references from the book universe list as the books came before the sequel film.

'''The Lion King''' is the title given to the male ruler of [[Pride Rock]] and to his lion pride, meaning he is the alpha male. The most recent Lion King is [[Simba]], but once he dies, the title would belong to [[Kiara]], making her the Lion "Queen." The creators of ''The Lion King'' film have not revealed their official vision on how many and who were the great kings of the past about whom Mufasa told to Simba.

The semi-official book and comic universes have their collected lot of kings, but on the commentary track of the film, the film makers have made clear that those kings never existed in the movie universe. That, and the fact that the books and comics were not created by Disney at all but are copyrighted to Disney, makes them semi-official and nothing more or less. The term "Lion King" is used in the book universe, in [[The Lion King: Six New Adventures]] when [[Kopa]] describes his dad as "The Lion King."

== List of Known Lion Kings In The Official Movie Universe ==

'''[[Mufasa]]''' 
The son of an unnamed and unknown lion. '''[[Mufasa]]''' ruled the land peacefully. He tried to spend time with his and [[Sarabi]]'s child, [[Simba]], but sometimes being king and a father clashed. A hornbill bird [[Zazu]] was his assistant. Mufasa was a wise and very powerful king, until one day his own brother, Scar, killed him and took over the Pridelands. Even so, the spirit of Mufasa appeared in the clouds to talk to Simba, first to remind him who he was, and then to congratulate him on uniting the two prides. Mufasa told the child Simba that the great kings of the past look down on us from the stars but it is not known how many of them were there or who they were.

'''[[Scar]]''' 
Unlike the other kings before him, '''[[Scar]]''' took control of the Pridelands by force, killing his brother [[Mufasa]] and driving out his heir, [[Simba]]. Once he was the Lion King, Scar allowed the [[hyena]]s, who had aided in his scheme, to overrun Pride Rock; the result was a huge lack of food from too many hyenas greedily eating food and the lions barely scraping together what they could. Famine fell over the Serengeti until Simba returned to defeat his uncle Scar and take back his place as king.

'''[[Simba]]''' 
After he defeated Scar, '''[[Simba]]''' took back his rightful place as Mufasa's heir and the Lion King. In a few months, the grass had grown back and the famine ended. Simba is a peaceful ruler, though when he had his daughter with [[Nala]], his mate, he became a very overprotective father. During his time as king, with a little help from his daughter Kiara and her lover Kovu, Simba successfully reunited his Pridelands pride with the Outlands pride of lions who he had exiled earlier. With this reunion, greatly increasing his pride's strength.

'''[[Kovu]]''' 
Kovu was not born a king, but fell in love with Simba's daughter, the princess of the Pridelands. It takes a while for Simba to accept him, but after he proves his loyalty, Simba accepts him into the pride. Kovu's succesion is assumed.

== List of Known Lion Kings In The Semi-Official Book/Comic Universe ==
The book universe contradicts even itself, so this blood line isn't exactly valid.

'''Unnamed King''' 
He is the first officially known alpha lion to dominate Pride Rock. All that is known about him is that he fathered three sons, making him Mufasa's great-great-great grandfather and Simba's great-great-great-great grandfather. In the Swedish comic "[[A False Ancestor]]," the phony "King" Joe pretended to be him to trick cub Simba.

'''One of the three sons''' 
Just like when [[Scar]] isn't chosen to be King because he was scrawny and younger, two of the three brothers (the sons of the unnamed king above) couldn't have been chosen to become the Lion King. However, one must have been, so one of them was the dominant male; though in a lion pride, there can sometimes be two or three males, so the brothers may have stayed together.

'''Their son or daughter''' 
Since one of the trio was Mohatu's grandfather, the Lion King out of of the three brothers must have had a son or daughter that would be the royal father or mother of Mohatu. Nothing else is known, not even their gender.

'''[[Mohatu]]''' 
Little is known concerning '''[[Mohatu]]''' except what Mufasa tells Simba in the book "[[The Brightest Star]]". According to that, he settled disputes among the animals of his kingdom when a great drought arose and everyone was arguing to get a drop of water, and even some of his subjects' prejudices against other animals. Mohatu discovered the Great River, which appears to extend from the lake in the oasis [[Timon]] and the meerkats make their home around. He ruled for a long time, and died very old one winter’s night; his star is the biggest and brightest in the sky since he was such a great and noble ruler.

'''[[Ahadi]]''' 
This king is Simba's grandfather, [[Uru]]'s mate, and the father of [[Mufasa]] and [[Scar]]. It is thought that '''[[Ahadi]]''' was a bit proud, but perhaps the worst thing he did was neglect Taka(Scar) over the next Lion King, Mufasa. On the whole, he seemed to be a good king; for example, he rescued [[Rafiki]] from hyenas who were hunting for fun, a crime, introduced that monkey to be the royal adviser and shaman, and set up [[Zuzu]]'s family to serve and report to him.

'''[[Mufasa]]''' 
The son of Ahadi, '''[[Mufasa]]''' ruled the land peacefully. He tried to spend time with his and [[Sarabi]]'s child, [[Simba]], but sometimes being king and a father clashed. Zuzu's son [[Zazu]] was his assistant. Mufasa was a wise and very powerful king, until one day his own brother, Scar, killed him and took over the Pridelands. Even so, the spirit of Mufasa appeared in the clouds to talk to Simba, to remind him who he was.

'''[[Scar]]''' 
Unlike the other kings before him, '''[[Scar]]''' (or Taka as he was previously known) took control of the Pridelands by force, killing his brother [[Mufasa]] and driving out his heir, [[Simba]]. Once he was the Lion King, Scar allowed the [[hyena]]s, who had aided in his scheme, to overrun Pride Rock; the result was a huge lack of food from too many hyenas greedily eating food and the lions barely scraping together what they could. Famine fell over the Serengeti until Simba returned to defeat his uncle Scar and take back his place as king.

'''[[Simba]]''' 
After he defeated Scar, '''[[Simba]]''' took back his rightful place as Mufasa's heir and the Lion King. In a few months, the grass had grown back and the famine ended. Simba is a peaceful ruler who trustes the help of his friends and treis to do the best by his only child, son [[Kopa]].

Mufasa

2010-12-25T22:16:48Z

Superbabysimba: Close relations clarification.

{{Infobox Character
| Img = Mufasa.png
| Img_capt = Mufasa
| Nicknames =
| Meaning = King
| Species = [[Lion]]
| Gender =
| Close_Relations = Son of [[Ahadi]] and [[Uru]] (but only in the books), brother to [[Scar]], mate of [[Sarabi]], father of [[Simba]], grandfather of [[Kiara]]. And only in the books, grandfather of [[Kopa]]
| Appearances = ''[[The Lion King (film)|The Lion King]]'', ''[[The Lion King II: Simba's Pride]]'', ''[[The Lion King 1½]]'', ''[[The Lion King: Six New Adventures]]'', ''[[A False Ancestor]]'', ''[[A Royal Fib]]''
| Voice_Actors = James Earl Jones
}}

{{Quote|Why, if it isn't my big brother descending from on high to mingle with the commoners.|[[Scar]], when he sees Mufasa after [[Simba|Simba's]] ceremony}}

'''Mufasa''' is the king of the [[Pridelands]] at the start of ''The Lion King'', he is the father of [[Simba]], and the older brother of [[Scar]].

==Physical Attributes==
'''Mufasa''' is a large, powerful [[lion]] with golden fur, a thick, red mane, and reddish-brown eyes.
[[File:MufasaInTrouble.jpg|thumb|left|200 px|Mufasa clinging to the side of a cliff.]]

== Personality ==
Mufasa is a very wise and noble king. He always thinks about what's in the best interest of the Pridelands, and is completely selfless. He cares very much for his son, Simba, and even sacrifices his own life for him.
[[File:Mufasa in the clouds.jpg|thumb|left|200 px|Mufasa watching the presentation of Kiara.]]

==Information==
Mufasa is a large powerful male lion. He is the father of [[Simba]], the mate of [[Sarabi]], and the older brother of [[Scar]]. He is son of [[Ahadi]] and [[Uru]], and the king of [[The Pridelands]] in the begining of the movie. He is wise and caring, often portryed as the ideal king and wishes to pass those traits down to Simba. Mufasa tells Simba about the great kings of the past after saving [[Nala]] and Simba from Scar's [[Hyena]]s. Since Scar's first plan fails, he comes up with a new plan: to kill Mufasa and to scare Simba off for his hyena's to chase down and kill.

After setting his son safely on a ledge; Mufasa is carried off into the stampede, but jumps up climbing the ledge to save himself. When he reaches the top he pleads for his brothers help before Scar pierces Mufasa's paws with his claws, saying "Long live the king." Scar then throws Mufasa in the stampede. Mufasa is seen again when [[Rafiki]] explains to Simba that 'He lives in you'. Mufasa, who's spirit is in the clouds, tells Simba that he must return to the Pridelands to save his pride. Also, beefore Simba claims his kingship, Mufasa can be heard saying "''Remember''".

Mufasa only makes two appearances in Simba's Pride. Once during [[Kiara]]'s presentation, and the last time in Simba's nightmare. He also says "Well done my son. We are one." at the end of Simba's pride. He is also menturned during the exile of [[Kovu]], where Kiara yells at Simba "''You will never be Mufasa!''", possibly referring to the fact, in Kiara's eyes, Mufasa may have forgiven Kovu and seen the ambush was not his fault. Simba is taken aback by the statement for a moment, suggesting he had been trying to live up to the "greatness" Mufasa had achieved in his time as ruler of the Pridelands.

== Broadway Musical ==

Mufasa's role is more bigger into the musical based on the first film. He sings "They live in you!" to young Simba when they are looking up at the stars. There is also an scene in which Mufasa tells Zazu about Simba's daring behavior. Zazu then reminds him on his early years as a cub.

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Sarabi

2010-12-25T22:14:14Z

Superbabysimba: Close relations: sepereated the universes between Kiara and Kopa as it officially is.

{{Infobox Character
| Img = Clipsarab.gif
| Img_capt = Sarabi
| Nicknames =
| Meaning = Mirage
| Species = [[Lion]]
| Gender =
| Close_Relations = Mate of [[Mufasa]] Mother of [[Simba]] 
In the movie universe, grandmother of [[Kiara]]. In the book universe, grandmother of [[Kopa]]
| Appearances = ''[[The Lion King (film)|The Lion King]]'', ''[[Friends in Need]]'', ''[[Dirty Cub]]''
| Voice_Actors = [[The Lion King (film)|The Lion King]]- Madge Sinclair, Original Broadway Cast- Gina Breedlove (Speaking)
}}

'''Sarabi''' is [[Mufasa]]'s mate, and [[Simba]]'s mother.

==Personality==
Sarabi's character is one of a motherly nature. Her sweet voice and understanding ways are a guidance throughout [[Simba]]'s life. Despite her charming and beautiful personality, she has a fierce loyalty to [[Mufasa]] and her kingdom. A very responsible queen.

==Physical Attributes==
Sarabi has a dark tan pelt with soft, cream colored paws and muzzle. She has beautiful brown eyes and dark brown in the inside of her ear. And, as the custom of every Disney lion, she has a dark pink nose.

==Information==
Sarabi first appears in ''[[The Lion King]]'', as the queen of the [[Pride Lands]]. She is [[Mufasa]]'s mate, and [[Simba]]'s mother. She is shown to be cool, calm, and collective in most situations, and is also shown as a proud, and loving mother.

[[File:Sarabi-Mufasa.png|thumb|left|Sarabi and Mufasa]]

Sarabi is devastated after Mufasa's death, and is seen being comforted by [[Zazu]] and the pride when the news is broken. Later, she tells her brother-in-law, [[Scar]], the new king, that there's no prey left, and that they have to leave in order to survive, in which Scar replies "You're just not looking hard enough!". Sarabi says there is no other choice but to leave Pride Rock, otherwise they will die from starvation. Scar remarks "Then so be it", and that he is the king and can do whatever he wants, Sarabi angrily replies "If you were half the king Mufasa was--" but she is cut short by Scar slapping her with his paw, causing the lioness to fall onto her side. Seeing this, Simba (who was watching closely from a high-up rock) jumps down to defend his mother. She originally mistakes him for Mufasa, but soon realizes it's her apparently-dead son.

[[File:SimbaSarabi.jpg|thumb|left|200 px|Simba (Left) And Sarabi (Right)]]

When the lions begin rising up against Scar and the hyenas, two lionesses are shown helping Sarabi up. When Scar pressures Simba into admitting it is his fault his father is dead, Sarabi says in a quiet voice "It's not true, tell me it's not true". But after Scar admits that ''he'' killed Mufasa, Sarabi embraces her son, and proudly watches him take the Pride Lands back.

==Voice Actors==
* Madge Sinclair - Provided voice for Sarabi

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The Lion King: Six New Adventures

2010-12-25T21:47:24Z

Superbabysimba: More essential, clarifying information on the book series instead of just mentioning them...

'''The Lion King: Six New Adventures''' are a series of short stories about characters in ''[[The Lion King (film)|The Lion King]]'' - but they were not created and written by The Walt Disney Company. They are original stories from outsider childrens' book and comic writers, and thus the new characters, names and events in the books are only semi-officially Disney, while the books were also denied by the film's makers in 1995 and 2003 on the commentary track of the film, resulting in their contents do not exist in the movie universe. [[Image:Esdfesferew.jpg|thumb|left]]

== The Books ==

A list of the books, in order.

#[[A Tale of Two Brothers]] by Alex Simmons.
#[[Nala's Dare]] by Joanne Barkan.
#[[Vulture Shock]] by Judy Katschke.
#[[A Snake In The Grass]] by Leslie McGuire.
#[[Follow the Leader]] by Page McBrier.
#[[How True, Zazu?]] by Leslie McGuire.

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A Tale of Two Brothers

2010-12-25T21:31:41Z

Superbabysimba: Summary; mentioned the author and linked to his page here.

'''''A Tale of Two Brothers''''' is written by [[Alex Simmons]] and is the first book in ''[[The Lion King: Six New Adventures]]''.

==Plot==
[[File:A Tale Of Two Brothers.jpg|thumb|300px|right|The cover of ''A Tale of Two Brothers'']]

''A Tale of Two Brothers'' begins by introducing [[Kopa]], the prince of [[The Pridelands|the Pridelands]], and [[Pimbi]], his hyrax friend. Kopa leaps at Pimbi, preparing to pin him down, but Pimbi leaps out of the way at the last second, and Kopa crumples to the ground in a heap of fur and tail. Pimbi laughs at Kopa, saying, "some king you'll make". But Kopa just gets up and shakes the dust from his fur. He then states proudly that he'll one day rule the Pridelands, since his father, [[Simba]], was the lion [[The Lion King (title)|king]]. But Pimbi continues to laugh at him, saying Kopa wouldn't make a good king unless he learned how to pounce properly. Kopa, in his own defense, says that Simba was planning to give him more lessons on pouncing later, but then is reminded of something important. Simba was supposed to show him something very special that day! With a hasty good-bye, Kopa promises Pimbi he'll tell him all about it tomorrow, then rushes towards [[Pride Rock]]. Simba was going to show Kopa the Pridelands from the top of Pride Rock!

Simba had told Kopa that it was a tradition for the future king to be shown the Pridelands from atop Pride Rock, and that Mufasa had once shown Simba his land from the same spot. Kopa had never known Mufasa, but had heard wonderful things about him from all the older animals and from [[Zazu]], the king's majordomo. Kopa thought that Simba was a good king too, even if he was really busy and didn't have a lot of time to spend with his son. As Kopa nears Pride Rock, he sees his mother, [[Nala]], lying on one of Pride Rock's ledges. As Kopa approaches her, she asks him if he had had fun playing with Pimbi. Kopa, a bit confused, asks how she had known what he was doing. But Nala just licks him, saying that she can see anything that moves on the plain from the top of Pride Rock. Kopa just responds by saying, "creepy". But just at that moment, Simba bounds up onto the ledge with Zazu and [[Rafiki]] following close behind him. The three are talking urgently, and Nala tells Kopa that it's another crisis at the watering hole.

[[File:Pimbi and Kopa.png|thumb|left|200px|[[Kopa]] playing with [[Pimbi]]]]

But Kopa rushes over to his father, telling Simba that he was ready to go. Simba nuzzles Kopa, then turns to Zazu and Rafiki, asking them if there was anything they could do about the water crisis. But both say that the animals wouldn't listen to them. With a sigh, Simba turns back to Kopa and says that he wouldn't be able to take him up to Pride Rock that day. And not until the crisis had subsided. Kopa, greatly hurt and disappointed, reminds Simba in a whisper that he had ''promised'' to take him there. But Nala interjects, and gently tells Kopa that Simba had certain duties and responsibilities as king. But Kopa once more whispers that Simba had promised. Simba turns to Rafiki and asks the baboon to explain Simba's responsibilities to the young cub. But the baboon surprises Simba by saying that he agreed with Kopa, since great kingdoms had suffered because of broken promises. Simba begins to question Rafiki, but the baboon interrupts, and tells Kopa to listen to a story about "a king, a prince, and a great enemy". Kopa gets excited and asks if the enemy was "a hairy giant with purple eyes", but Rafiki says no. Instead, the enemy had a scar down the side of his left cheek. Simba, Nala, and Zazu all immediately know that Rafiki is talking about [[Scar]], the tyrannical lion who had murdered Simba's father, Mufasa.

Rafiki begins the story by saying that it was a hard time for the Pridelands. It was a time of great drought, and many animals were suffering, not only from fighting for water, but for food and shelter. Rafiki, at the time, was a traveler and happened to stumble onto the Pridelands during one of his many voyages. He was hot and tired from all the traveling he had been doing, when suddenly, a colorful hornbill, named [[Zuzu]], lands at his feet. She tells him that he looked tired and suggests he sit down in the shade. Rafiki doesn't know where to go, so Zuzu points him towards [[Five Stones]], then flies away.

[[File:Tale of two brothers pride rock.png|thumb|right|200px|[[Kopa]] at [[Pride Rock]]]]

Rafiki finds Five Stones easily, and starts to sit down in the shade, when he gets the uneasy feeling that he's being watched. Upon turning around, he sees three grinning hyenas racing towards him. They corner Rafiki and begin closing in on him. But before they can reach him, there's a mighty roar from behind them. Rafiki looks up to see [[Ahadi]], the lion king, glaring at the hyenas, with his two sons, Mufasa and Taka, close behind him. Mufasa looks ready to fight, but Taka looks bored. Ahadi chides the hyenas, telling them that they had already eaten and that it was against the rules of the Pridelands to hunt for sport. One of the hyenas, [[Shenzi]], tries to object, but is silenced by Ahadi. After being ordered away, the three run off. Taka begins circling Rafiki and says that they should have let the hyenas eat the baboon, even though his meat was probably stringy, even for a lion. But Mufasa tells Taka to leave Rafiki alone. He then introduces himself, his father, and his brother to Rafiki. Ahadi then comes forward and asks what Rafiki was doing in the Pridelands.

Rafiki replies by saying that he was seeking knowledge, and studying the African land. Taka yawns, obviously bored at the prospect. But Ahadi comments that Rafiki might prosper from such a quest, making Taka growl. Ahadi continues by asking Rafiki for help, since the Pridelands was in dire need of wisdom. Rafiki follows the king and his sons back to Pride Rock. When they arrive, Taka wanders off, but Ahadi stays, and tells Rafiki that his mate, [[Uru]], was away, seeking a new source of water and food. Ahadi and Rafiki talk all day, and when night falls, Ahadi offers Rafiki a place to sleep. As the world begins to plunge into darkness, Rafiki watches the Pridelands, the [[Zuberi River]] gleaming like a silver stream in the darkness.

Rafiki comments to Mufasa, who was sitting nearby, that he likes to sleep under the stars and to talk to "the wise ones of the past". Mufasa stretches out next to him, and says that he likes to talk to the kings of the past also, who reside in the stars as well. Rafiki asks if Taka does this too, but Mufasa says no. Taka didn't do much of anything, and didn't get along with his father ''or'' his brother. Rafiki asks if Mufasa liked him, but Mufasa indirectly answers the question by saying he looks after his younger brother. The two soon say goodnight and fall asleep. But Rafiki is awakened in the middle of the night. When he opens his eyes, he comes face-to-face with a spitting cobra. The giant snake is poised and ready to strike!

[[File:Rafiki and Hyenas.png|thumb|200px|left|[[Rafiki]] being cornered by hyenas]]

Going back to Kopa, the young cub asks if the snake bit Rafiki, but Rafiki says it did not, and only spit at him. Rafiki then asks if he could continue his tale, and Kopa nods eagerly. The baboon continues by saying that Mufasa awoke shortly after Rafiki and, after seeing the danger, begins to stand up. But Rafiki tells him to be still. He then looks deep into the cobra's eyes, filling his head with calm, friendly thoughts. He then tells the snake that they were not enemies, but brothers, and a part of the great circle of life. The snake begins to sway from side-to-side, then slithers away down the side of the rock. Mufasa, appalled, asks Rafiki how he had down that. Rafiki responds by saying that he had learned the trick from an old baboon who had lived in his former home, [[Grass Walls]]. Mufasa begins to say, "But if the cobra had-", but is interrupted by Rafiki, who tells him to be calm and to go back to sleep.

But Mufasa thinks it odd that a snake had come onto the ledge, since they usually stayed above and rarely ever came out at night. But Rafiki comments that snakes are unpredictable and can surprise you. But secretly, he is having suspicions about how the snake may have been planted there. He could smell another scent nearby, aside from the snake's and Mufasa's; Taka's. Rafiki thinks to himself that ''two'' snakes had visited him that night....and one of them was Taka.

Early the next morning, Rafiki wakes up before everyone else and sets out to find breakfast on the plains. Although many of the trees were bare, Rafiki manages to climb one and begins eating the small amount of leaves clinging to the topmost branches. But just as he's finishing his meal, he hears several voices below him. Looking down, he sees the same three hyenas who had cornered him earlier. Shenzi is complaining about how Ahadi is bossing them around all the time, and [[Banzai]] is echoing her thoughts. [[Ed]] just snickers. Shenzi continues by saying that Ahadi always spoiled their fun. But Banzai is confident that things would change; and for the better. Rafiki begins to suspect that there's more to these creatures than meets the eye.

[[File:Cobra.png|thumb|200px|right|[[Rafiki]] calming a cobra]]

Shenzi comments that Ahadi would not live forever, and if something was to happen to Mufasa, ''they'' would be top dogs around there. The three hyenas begin boasting about how one day they'll rule the Pridelands. The three soon wander off, and Rafiki hurries back to Pride Rock to tell Ahadi of the hyenas' ambitions. But when he returns, Ahadi is facing a crowd of shouting giraffes, zebras, warthogs, and other African animals. Mufasa is sitting at his father's side, while Taka is lying a few feet away.

All the animals are complaining about the shortage of water and food. The antelopes and zebras are blaming the giraffes, while the leopards are blaming the cape buffalo, [[Boma]], and his herd. The ostriches are worried about the hyenas, and Zuzu, who had appeared nearby, agrees with them. Ahadi promises to take care of them later, but is interrupted by the ostrich. She asks when he would do it, and he says that he would take care of it right at that moment. But Taka reminds his father that he had promised to take his two sons hunting that morning. But Ahadi says that that would have to wait. Enraged, Taka leaps to his paws and complains that whenever Ahadi was going to do something with his sons, something more important always came up. But Ahadi reminds Taka that a king had great responsibilities, and that Mufasa seemed to understand these things.

But Taka begins complaining that "daddy's favorite" always got more attention. Mufasa warns Taka not to speak about him that way, but Taka ignores him. But as he begins to speak more, he is interrupted. The animals protest that it doesn't matter who the king was if the whole land was starving. The protesting gets louder until Ahadi roars to command silence. He tells the desperate animals that he will take care of the hyenas, and that Uru was out searching for a new water source, and that they would all have to be patient until she returned.

[[File:Trouble for Ahadi.png|thumb|200px|left|[[Ahadi]] trying to calm the distressed animals]]

He then whispers to Taka that he hopes the young [[lion]] would understand, but Taka just snarls, yelling at Ahadi that his promise had been broken. But then, a sudden change comes over Taka and he turns to Mufasa. He invites his brother to come out to hunt with him, claiming that they would have lots of fun together. Rafiki becomes suspicious of Taka, but Mufasa accepts his offer. Ahadi then turns to Rafiki and says that it would be much easier to learn about the little problems before they become big ones, then turns around and goes off to deal with the hyenas. As he leaves, Zuzu comments on how brave he was. She had seen him go off to face many dangers; as a matter of fact, she had known about the waterhole problem for days, but didn't want to add more to Ahadi's to-do list. Rafiki is startled, realizing the bird was full of surprises. But before he can say anything else, Zuzu says good-bye and flies off.

Rafiki then overhears Mufasa asking Taka if he's ready to hunt. Taka says he needed to do something first, but would meet Mufasa at Five Stones in a short while. Mufasa agrees, then turns to talk to a pacing leopard. As Taka passes Rafiki, he asks if he had any trouble sleeping the past night. Rafiki says that he slept fine, and is often undisturbed when sleeping. Taka flicks his tail, then races off to a small cluster of trees in the distance. Rafiki decides to follow him. He uses the trees to his advantage, and swings from branch to branch. Finally, Taka stops at a dried up watering hole. Rafiki can't tell if he's deep in thought or brooding in anger. But suddenly, Banzai, Ed, and Shenzi leap out of the bushes and begin creeping towards Taka.

But Taka isn't scared. He tells them to not be so dramatic and comes over to join them. All three laugh. But soon things get down to business, and Taka tells the three that Ahadi was looking for them, warning them to lay low. Banzai sighs, and says that he wishes it wouldn't be so hot around the Pridelands. He suggests moving to the snowy mountains, but is quickly silenced by Shenzi and Taka, who yank at his whiskers. Ed snickers. Taka then says, "No wonder you begged me to join your little gang". But all three hyenas object to this, saying they had never begged him. But Taka lifts up his paw and releases his long claws, making the hyenas, who are intimidated by this threat, hastily agree with him.

[[File:Taka and Hyenas.png|thumb|200px|right|[[Taka]] plotting with the hyenas]]

Shenzi then sneers at Taka and asks if he was supposed to go hunting with his father. But Taka merely dismisses it as "a change of plans". Shenzi asks if he ditched Taka again, but Taka roars at them, making them back away in fear. As Taka corners them against a tree, Shenzi tries to cover herself up by reminding Taka that Ahadi always treated Mufasa as his favorite, Banzai agreeing with her. Taka seems angry at this, but Shenzi tells him that he should get even with Mufasa, and have revenge. Taka says that he was already going to take care of that by going hunting with Mufasa and bringing back more game, showing that Mufasa wasn't perfect. But Shenzi suggests making Mufasa look bad, so Ahadi would consider Taka as the next lion king. Both Banzai and Ed agree with her. Taka seems to like Shenzi's idea, and tries to think up a good way to make Mufasa look bad.

He thinks that if the animals began arguing over something Mufasa did, then they would lose faith in their king and his firstborn son. The hyenas are just as enthusiastic about it. But as a plan comes to Taka, the hyenas ask if they can share in on some of Taka's game. Taka laughs, but agrees to give them their fair share of his catch. He then begins to race back towards Pride Rock, Rafiki still following him. Rafiki thinks about Taka's scheme with the snake and the look of hate he had seen in his eyes as he talked about revenge. Rafiki worries over how far Taka would go to get revenge on his brother. But as his thoughts keep whirling away, he loses concentration on his surroundings, and as he swings from the trees, a limb cracks and he falls to the ground, blacking out!

When he awakes, he hears a high-pitched voice talking to him. He opens his eyes and finds Zuzu standing over him. She chides him on swinging through the trees when he's so old, and for being so careless, but Rafiki interrupts her by thanking her for all her help. He then asks if he had been lying there long, and Zuzu replies that he hadn't. But Rafiki was still worried that Taka had covered a great distance, and that Rafiki would never be able to find him now. But then he remembers Zuzu. He asks her if she had seen Ahadi, Mufasa, or Taka, and she says that Ahadi was at the [[Elephant Graveyard]] and that Mufasa was at Five Stones. She didn't know where Taka was. Rafiki then urges her to find the king and tell him to search for his sons. When Zuzu questions him, Rafiki tells her it's urgent, and tells her to begin the search at Five Stones. Zuzu reluctantly agrees, then flies away to find Ahadi.

[[File:Mufasa and Boma.png|thumb|200px|left|[[Mufasa]] approaching [[Boma]]]]

Rafiki then begins to run towards Five Stones. When he finally arrives, Mufasa is nowhere to be seen, even though Rafiki can still smell his scent on the breeze. He can also smell Taka. Rafiki quickly finds their trail and begins to follow it. The trail goes for a long way, but eventually leads to a small watering hole. The last watering hole, Rafiki realizes with a jolt. A large cape buffalo is standing in the middle of the pool, and Mufasa, who is at the side of the pool, is creeping towards him. Not stalking him, but just being cautious. Taka was nowhere to be seen. Rafiki runs down the hill and joins Mufasa at the edge of the pool. The cape buffalo eyes them coldly as they approach. Rafiki asks Mufasa what he's doing, and Mufasa says that he is trying to help his father by asking Boma, the cape buffalo, to share the water with the other animals. Rafiki notices that Mufasa had said "we", as if referring to another lion who had helped formulate the plan, and Rafiki gets terribly suspicious. After asking what Mufasa meant by "we", he learns that Taka had come up with the plan and was helping Mufasa.

Rafiki then asks where Taka is, and spots him hiding in some tall grass by the pool's edge. But before Rafiki can confront him, Boma rudely asks what Mufasa wants, with a voice "as deep as the rumbling earth". Mufasa swallows hard, and tells Boma that he must share the watering hole until the rain comes. But Boma questions him, obviously not keen on the idea of sharing. But before Mufasa can respond, Taka comes up from behind Boma and roars. The cape buffalo whirls around and asks what he's doing. Taka replies that he's enforcing the lion king's orders. He then says that if Boma does not listen to Mufasa, he'll have to face him in combat. Boma, greatly angered at this, laments on how Ahadi had sent his children to do his work, then accuses Mufasa of wanting to fight him. Mufasa starts to protest, but Boma ignores him and begins charging at him. Rafiki urges Mufasa to run, terrified that the cape buffalo would hurt the young prince.

The two begin to run. But as he runs, Rafiki can feel the cape buffalo gaining on him. Rafiki reflects on Zuzu's earlier words, and agrees that he's far too old for all of this. Mufasa veers to the left, sliding down a hill and into a rock formation, with Rafiki and Boma following close behind. But as Mufasa and Rafiki near a fallen log, Rafiki knows he won't make it, and bravely tells Mufasa to go on without him. But Mufasa insists he hold on to his back, and keeps persisting, following Rafiki's objections. Finally, Rafiki clings onto Mufasa's back, and the young prince manages to hold them both up. Rafiki is worried that Mufasa wouldn't make the jump over the log, but the young lion is confident, and makes the jump easily. It ended up that the log was in front of a ravine, and Mufasa is able to clear the ravine in a single jump. Boma, however, having no clue about the ravine, falls in with a loud crash.

[[File:Run Mufasa.png|thumb|right|400px|[[Mufasa]], with [[Rafiki]] on his back, jumping the gorge]]

Turning around, Mufasa tells Boma that he himself had once fallen into the ravine, but Boma just yells back that he'll have revenge. But Mufasa tells him that he doesn't want to fight, since they are both brothers in the great circle of life. But Boma won't listen to him, and continues to threaten Mufasa. He then says that "the others" would get Mufasa's brother. Confused, Mufasa looks out into the distance and sees Taka rolling on the ground in laughter. But three cape buffalo emerge from the grass and begin charging towards him. Taka's laughter turns into cries for help as he turns to run away. Mufasa, his eyes widened with horror, wants to help his brother, screaming Taka's name. Mufasa then begins to run towards his brother. Rafiki tries to stop him, but Mufasa ignores him and keeps running towards Taka.

Meanwhile, Taka is trying to escape the buffalo, but the three are showing no mercy towards him, and are continuing to slash him with their horns. Finally, one of them gives him a particularly hard slash, and he crumples to the ground, an unmoving heap of dark brown fur. Mufasa rushes to his brother's side, and faces the buffalo, roaring in defiance. The three prepare to charge at him, when there's a strange trumpeting sound. The lions look up to see that Ahadi is at the head of a herd of elephants charging towards the buffalo. They soon surround the buffalo and the two lions. Zuzu lands beside Rafiki, saying that she had gotten them as fast as she could. She then comments on how Rafiki looked terrible. Rafiki smiles at her and tells her that she looked beautiful, which makes her bury her head in her feathers in embarrassment. Rafiki then comes to stand beside Ahadi, who demands to know why the buffalo had attacked his sons. The buffalo whine that Mufasa and Taka had started it, but are interrupted by Mufasa, who cries out that Taka was hurt, and that he wouldn't move!

[[File:Ahadi Muffy and Rafiki.png|thumb|left|200px|[[Ahadi]], [[Mufasa]], and [[Rafiki]] at [[Pride Rock]]]]

Rafiki assures Mufasa that he will look after Taka, but Ahadi still warns the buffalo that it had better not be a serious injury. He then joins Mufasa to look at Taka. Rafiki finds that Taka had suffered no broken bones, but had a serious injury on his face. He tells Ahadi that he had an herb pouch back at Pride Rock, and Ahadi suggests taking Taka home. He tells an elephant to carry Taka in his trunk, and orders another elephant to help Boma out of the gully.

Later, after Taka is feeling better, Rafiki tells him that he'll be sore for a few days, and that he'll carry a scar for the rest of his life. Ahadi tells him that it will remind him of how reckless he had been. Mufasa asks Taka why he had angered Boma, and Taka admits that he wanted to embarrass Mufasa and get even with Ahadi for breaking his promise. Ahadi gently tells Taka that instead of hurting them, he had nearly gotten himself killed, and that the scar would serve as a reminder of his foolishness. At first Taka is angry, but then softens up. He asks to be called Scar from then on, as another reminder of his terrible decision. He then promises that he will never forget what had happened that day. The four then go to join Zuzu, who had been waiting nearby.

[[File:End of tale of two brothers.png|thumb|right|200px|The ending picture of ''A Tale Of Two Brothers'']]

Ahadi says that despite Taka's attack, Boma and the herd had agreed to share water with the [[Pridelanders]]. He then sighs, saying he wished he had some way to learn about little problems before they became big ones. Rafiki then suggests appointing an "eyes and ears" of the kingdom, who could report all the troubles to Ahadi, and who would help him become acquainted with his followers. Ahadi likes this idea, and asks Zuzu if she would take the position. Zuzu is honored and immediately accepts his offer. Ahadi is relieved, and says that from then on, her family would serve as stewards to the kings of the Pridelands.

Zuzu bows her head, politely accepting his words. She then takes to air, saying her family (particularly her son) would be so proud of her. Ahadi then tells Rafiki that he would be his teacher. At first, Rafiki is stunned. He had always lived alone! But Ahadi wanted the Pridelands to thrive and to be led by a wise king. He asks Rafiki if he would help achieve this goal. The baboon then says that he would, and accepts Ahadi's offer; but only if he would be able to go on quests from time to time to obtain more knowledge. Ahadi heartily agrees, then proclaims that he could already feel the wonderful times coming ahead.

Going back to Kopa, the young prince is appalled at the story. Rafiki then says that it rained a few days later, ending the drought. Kopa then comments on how amazing Ahadi and Mufasa had been, and Rafiki says that Uru was amazing as well, for she discovered a lake on the western edge of the Pridelands, saving many animals from thirst. Zazu then states proudly that his mother, Zuzu, was right when she said that her family would be proud, and that her whole family was so honored to be given the position. Simba then comments that Zazu had served the kings well ever since. Kopa tells Rafiki that it was an amazing story....and that his great-uncle Scar had been a "real creep". Simba then thanks Rafiki for the wonderful story, saying it had taught him a great lesson. Kopa quickly agrees with him. Simba continues by saying that he was reminded of how much had gone into the making of the Pridelands, and how important loved ones were. He nuzzles both Nala and Kopa. He then says that promises were important as well. Kopa, excited at this, asks Simba if he really "meant it", and Simba confirms Kopa's excited thoughts, saying he would take his mate and his son up to the top of Pride Rock. After all, "it's a tradition". Rafiki smiles at this, saying, "and a wise one at that".

==Credits==

* '''Author''': [[Alex Simmons]]
* '''Illustrators''': [[Denise Shimabukuro]], [[Raymond Zibach]]

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