My Lion King Forum

Well, I've been meaning to make a topic like this for a few months now but only just got around to doing it now, very strange. But anyways, here it goes...

The last, say, 3 times I watched TLK 1 and TLK 2 I realized something, when Rafiki arrived at Timon and Pumbaa's home, after Simba and Nala's argument, when he states that he doesn't even know who he is and Simba remarks by saying 'I'd suppose you'd know' Rafiki answers "You're Mufasa's boy".

I took note of that after realizes in TLK 2, when Kiara and Kovu first meet, Kovu calls Kiara "Daddy's little girl" which is similar to how Rafiki called Simba 'Mufasa's boy."
I don't know why it crossed my mind one random day, but I guess I'm glad it did. Does anyone have any thoughts or opinions about this?

I see what you are talking about, although I think it's a little vague to insist there's a connection between the two lines. Friends and foes of the royal family know that Simba and Kiara are children of royalty, and whether in a mocking or respectful tone, they may address them as such.

In TLK1, I think Rafiki is reminding Simba that they (he, his father, etc, etc) are all connected in the family.

And that the family has to continue - the Circle of Life has to continue.

You are Mufasa's son, Simba. You must take your place in the Circle of Life. You must take your place as King, as your father once did.

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In TLK2, Kovu is stating that to tease her, but unknown to him, he's also reminding Kiara that she is the princess of the pride - and that she has to fulfil that role.

Kovu's POV

She must be such a brat - following exactly as her father commands. Pah!

"You must be daddy's little girl!" I teased.

Kiara's POV

Who does this guy think he is? I'm the princess of the Pridelands! You don't just tease royalty!

Oh, wait, I'm royalty... I'm the princess... I'm gonna have to be in charge of this place someday... Just as my parents are...

Don't get me wrong, I didn't think they had any actual thought out connection from the script writers, I just found it strange that they were similar, even though Kovu's teasing whilst Rafiki's in a way, teasing as well, but also reminding Simba of who he is.

Okay, the lines are similar, and as Arbystrider explained, the lines are used to remind the characters that are of royal blood, although they don't want to acknowledge it.

Anyway, nice find!

I think that it's just a coincidence. Sure, the lines are very similar, but their use is very different: Rafiki uses "you're Mufasa's boy" to explicitly remind Simba about his heritage and who he really is.

But Kovu uses "daddy's little girl" as an insult, which I will say up front, is one of the oldest and least original insults in the book. So Kovu didn't care to remind Kiara about Simba, nor for that matter, I doubt that he even cared to mention her father in the first place. He was just teasing her, and that's all that mattered for him.

Yeah, I don't think that the two lines were meant to be similar.

DGFone wrote:I think that it's just a coincidence. Sure, the lines are very similar, but their use is very different: Rafiki uses "you're Mufasa's boy" to explicitly remind Simba about his heritage and who he really is.

But Kovu uses "daddy's little girl" as an insult, which I will say up front, is one of the oldest and least original insults in the book. So Kovu didn't care to remind Kiara about Simba, nor for that matter, I doubt that he even cared to mention her father in the first place. He was just teasing her, and that's all that mattered for him.

Yeah, I don't think that the two lines were meant to be similar.

Uh, did you read any of the above posts? Quoting myself, I said: "Don't get me wrong, I didn't think they had any actual thought out connection from the script writers, I just found it strange that they were similar, even though Kovu's teasing whilst Rafiki's in a way, teasing as well, but also reminding Simba of who he is."

I didn't make this topic trying to state they were supposed to be intentionally similar, I just wanted to point out the fact because I really like any kind of family bond or relationship...

RealmoftheDragon wrote:Don't get me wrong, I didn't think they had any actual thought out connection from the script writers, I just found it strange that they were similar, even though Kovu's teasing whilst Rafiki's in a way, teasing as well, but also reminding Simba of who he is.

DGFone wrote:I think that it's just a coincidence. Sure, the lines are very similar, but their use is very different: Rafiki uses "you're Mufasa's boy" to explicitly remind Simba about his heritage and who he really is.

But Kovu uses "daddy's little girl" as an insult, which I will say up front, is one of the oldest and least original insults in the book. So Kovu didn't care to remind Kiara about Simba, nor for that matter, I doubt that he even cared to mention her father in the first place. He was just teasing her, and that's all that mattered for him.

Yeah, I don't think that the two lines were meant to be similar.

I will agree that Rafiki's main intention behind his line was to remind Simba of his responsibilities and that Kovu's main intention was to tease Kiara.

I will not disagree that it just so happened that Rafiki also appears to be teasing Simba, and that Kovu also happened to remind Kiara of her responsibilities.

RealmoftheDragon wrote:I just wanted to point out the fact because I really like any kind of family bond or relationship...

Aye, the entire TLK trilogy revolves around the theme of family and relationships, and I understand that you find that there's little things such as these that can make us (the viewers) feel it better, or more intensely - I feel the same way, I've always known that Simba had to take Muffy's role as king, and that Kiara had to take her place as queen.

Your thread made me see that it's not just Simba replacing his father Muffy, or just Kiara replacing her father Simba, but actually Kiara replacing her grandfather Muffy. It made me see that the family connections weren't just from one generation to the next, but across every generation, because, after all, we are one. It takes that theme of family to a whole new level.

And now that I actually think about it, Kiara had never actually met Muffy, and yet, she was replacing (I'm using the word 'replacing' very loosely here) him. She was replacing someone she had never met before, and he (Muffy) was in her blood. Family connections can run that deep.

*Gasps and stares into blank space after epiphany*