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*waves* Yes.. another Kiara-related topic from me.

After Kovu is exiled/banished, Kiara is left heartbroken. She tries to reason with Simba because she believes that Kovu is good and innocent, but Simba refuses to listen to her. In tears, Kiara seeks solitude in the cave before breaking out and running off in search of Kovu.

After their reunion, when they sit by the pool, and Kovu points out their merged reflection which causes Kiara to finally understand the concept of "we are one," Kovu suggests that they should run away and start their own pride, to which Kiara replies that they have to go back.

Now! My question is, what do you think Kiaras plans or intentions were when she left Pride Rock? Did she just act blinded by love, was she planning on turning her back on her pride and elope with her boyfriend, or was her plan all along to bring Kovu back to Pride Rock in order to give him a chance to properly explain things to Simba? (He wasn`t really given a chance to speak at his "trial" despite Kiaras efforts to get her father to listen)

My personal opinion is that Kiara was planning on finding Kovu, not just because they were madly in love and couldn`t stand the thought of their families keeping them apart, but also in order to convince him to come back with her. What do you think?

I guess what I am trying to ask is, if Kiara had not had her epiphany, would she have run away with Kovu?

PrincessKiara wrote:Now! My question is, what do you think Kiaras plans or intentions were when she left Pride Rock? Did she just act blinded by love,

Yeah, I think so.

PrincessKiara wrote:or was her plan all along to bring Kovu back to Pride Rock in order to give him a chance to properly explain things to Simba?

I doubt it. Here's why:

They didn't go back to Pride Rock. They went to the gorge.

There's only one little problem with this: as far as I can remember, no one ever told either Kovu or Kiara that they would find Simba there.

Now, let's forget about that little plothole. Suppose it was Kiara's plan to go back to Pride Rock with Kovu and explain. Let's suppose the fight at the gorge never happened.

The reason why Simba was able to trust Kovu is because Kovu used that as an opportunity to redeem himself. How would he have done that if he wasn't able to show Simba that he turned against the outsiders?

Simba didn't trust Kovu, and I doubt Kiara could have done anything about it. Or else, why didn't she talk to Simba right then and there, instead of running away?

I think Simba would have at least hated Kovu a little less if, even if the Outsiders attacked, if Kovu would have returned with Kiara safe and sound.

And even if Simba would have been blinded by rage, the Nala from TLK 1 would have forced Simba to listen to Kiara.

Regulus wrote:I doubt it. Here's why:

They didn't go back to Pride Rock. They went to the gorge.

There's only one little problem with this: as far as I can remember, no one ever told either Kovu or Kiara that they would find Simba there.

Now, let's forget about that little plothole. Suppose it was Kiara's plan to go back to Pride Rock with Kovu and explain. Let's suppose the fight at the gorge never happened.

LOL! I was thinking about that a few days ago. How did Kiara and Kovu know their fight was going to be? I don't think the animals told them because they were running away from the fight. I know Simba sent Zazu to find Kiara, so maybe he found her and Kovu and he sent them in the direction of the fight. However, Zazu wasn't seen again until the ending after Zira died. Another (unlikely) possibility is that they did went straight back to Pride Rock, but some animals (or Zazu) told them that Simba and the Pride Landers were at the gorge so they went there. However, what's wrong with this theory is that if they went in Simba's direction, they would land in the middle of the fight, not off to the side from where Zira and the Outsiders supposedly came from.

Now for the topic, Kiara ran away from Simba and the Pride Lands because she was blinded by her devoted love to Kovu. From her quote to Kovu that "we have to go back", it does seem like she was planning to find Kovu, and take him back to the Pride Lands. What she intended to have Kovu do when he's back in the kingdom is unknown, but it's possible she would try to get Kovu to state his side of the story.

Regulus wrote:

PrincessKiara wrote:Now! My question is, what do you think Kiaras plans or intentions were when she left Pride Rock? Did she just act blinded by love,

Yeah, I think so.

PrincessKiara wrote:or was her plan all along to bring Kovu back to Pride Rock in order to give him a chance to properly explain things to Simba?

I doubt it. Here's why:

They didn't go back to Pride Rock. They went to the gorge.

There's only one little problem with this: as far as I can remember, no one ever told either Kovu or Kiara that they would find Simba there.

Now, let's forget about that little plothole. Suppose it was Kiara's plan to go back to Pride Rock with Kovu and explain. Let's suppose the fight at the gorge never happened.

The reason why Simba was able to trust Kovu is because Kovu used that as an opportunity to redeem himself. How would he have done that if he wasn't able to show Simba that he turned against the outsiders?

Simba didn't trust Kovu, and I doubt Kiara could have done anything about it. Or else, why didn't she talk to Simba right then and there, instead of running away?

True. Kovu and Kiara intervening during the battle was the perfect chance for Kovu to show Simba once and for all that he could be trusted. As for why Kiara didn`t talk to Simba, well, she did try, but Simba refused to listen to her, as he was absolutely convinced that Kovu was following in Scars footprints. And as for Kiara running away, I think it was partly her wanting to find Kovu so that they together could make Simba listen, and partly her acting like a lovestruck teenager.

DGFone wrote:I think Simba would have at least hated Kovu a little less if, even if the Outsiders attacked, if Kovu would have returned with Kiara safe and sound.

And even if Simba would have been blinded by rage, the Nala from TLK 1 would have forced Simba to listen to Kiara.

hehe, true. Ah I miss the Nala from the first movie.

TheLionPrince wrote:

Regulus wrote:I doubt it. Here's why:

They didn't go back to Pride Rock. They went to the gorge.

There's only one little problem with this: as far as I can remember, no one ever told either Kovu or Kiara that they would find Simba there.

Now, let's forget about that little plothole. Suppose it was Kiara's plan to go back to Pride Rock with Kovu and explain. Let's suppose the fight at the gorge never happened.

LOL! I was thinking about that a few days ago. How did Kiara and Kovu know their fight was going to be? I don't think the animals told them because they were running away from the fight. I know Simba sent Zazu to find Kiara, so maybe he found her and Kovu and he sent them in the direction of the fight. However, Zazu wasn't seen again until the ending after Zira died. Another (unlikely) possibility is that they did went straight back to Pride Rock, but some animals (or Zazu) told them that Simba and the Pride Landers were at the gorge so they went there. However, what's wrong with this theory is that if they went in Simba's direction, they would land in the middle of the fight, not off to the side from where Zira and the Outsiders supposedly came from.

Now for the topic, Kiara ran away from Simba and the Pride Lands because she was blinded by her devoted love to Kovu. From her quote to Kovu that "we have to go back", it does seem like she was planning to find Kovu, and take him back to the Pride Lands. What she intended to have Kovu do when he's back in the kingdom is unknown, but it's possible she would try to get Kovu to state his side of the story.

I have thought about them going to the gorge as well, but do we really know where the gorge is, in relation to Pride Rock? (I might have missed something here)
In any case, I think the theory that Zazu found them and told them about the battle makes sense, though I know Zazu doesn`t appear again until later. Still, he could have found them and then flown back to the gorge, ahead of them, it`s not like they needed him to show the way. And as for the reason why he doesn`t apear again - it`s not like he was going to do any fighting, and I don`t remember seeing any trees or such for him to perch on while wathing the whole thing going down, he simply wasn`t needed for that scene. Neither were Timon and Pumbaa, strictly speaking, but they had to provide some comical relief in that otherwise scary scene.

In my personal opinion, I'm not sure if Kiara would have went back to Pride Rock with Kovu, though she loves her parents and did return to Pride Rock, I'm sure it was because of what Kovu said, after all, but I'm not exactly certain if Kiara would have abandoned her Pride, Kovu wanted to, himself, but...

Okay, instead of endlessly talking I'll give you my reasons on why I don't think Kiara would have came back: The story of TLK 2 was based off of the story of Romeo and Juliet, where they ran off together, and Juliet left her father behind in a way, from what I know about the story of Romeo and Juliet, neither of them would have returned back to their homes. And so Kovu and Kiara are in place of Romeo and Juliet, neither of the two of them would have returned to Pride Rock or the Outlands.

Though I also guess it would depend on the way the war between the Outlanders and Pridelanders would have ended, I think the Pridelands would have won, personally, though the Outlands were winning, pretty much, before Kovu and Kiara showed up, I don't know. If the Pridelands would have lost then Kovu and Kiara would have had no where left to go, really, unless Zira wanted them to join her, they would have refused, I'm sure, though.

So things turn out nice and fine in TLK 2 how it actually went, I'm not sure if Kiara and Kovu would have went back to the Pridelands or would have ran off with each other to make a pride of their own like Kovu had said or not.

I'm not too sure that Kiara had much of a plan when she ran away from Pride Rock. I think it was a moment of lovestruck impetuousness. She didn't know exactly what to do next, but she felt like she had to do something after seeing her love exiled.

As for how Kiara and Kovu found the battle in progress, there's a couple of decent possibilities in my mind. The first one is that they see the chaos from a distance as they are returning to the Pridelands. The movie really never indicates the position of the gorge relative to the scene where Kiara and Kovu reunite, so I don't think this is unreasonable. The second is that Kovu could have known the location of Zira's planned invasion. Either way, I don't really see a true plothole.

I think Kiara left with the intention of not coming back. With a remark like, "YOU WILL NEVER BE MUFASA!" And running off into the den, looking up into the sunlight for a moment, HER WHOLE EMOTION CHANGES. She's like "Screw this, I'm going to find Kovu and get the hell out of here!"
I think AFTER she found him, she realized they needed to go back because:

a.) Flashback to the first movie, when Nala tries to get Simba to go back to Pride Rock, so of course her daughter is going to have a similar story yet in a different manner.
b.) She knew her family would miss her and be worried sick
c.) She knew she had to try to get them to stop fighting somehow, and it was worth a try.