My Lion King Forum

Ok i dont want to bore you and some of this you might of heard a million times before but please let me just write it and see what you think
Well here we go

1. What was disney thinking
Youd think if LK was the higest grossing Disney film ever you'd think that Disney would give it a good budget right. WRONG
Disney gave it a small budget meaning
They couldnt get Lebo M, Elton John and Tim Rice to write brillant songs
They didnt get the brillant animators from the last film
Im guessing they didnt pay the story writers that well due to the terrible supposed Villan death at the end
It was something wed seen before disney making a terrible staright to video film
Dont get me wrong i likes LK2SP but there were so many problems

2. How True Zazu on the topic of voice actors
Rowna Actkinsion did not voice Zazu in the LKSP. Why not can someone please tell me it not on wiki its on LK wiki so why is he not in it. Also Simba's brillant singing voice Joseph Williams who realted to Robie Williams was replaced by Cam Clarke. Why again

3.The plot
The plot was good. Then completly floored in a other case. One Kopa wasnt in it even after several written about him. Also thought Zira was good and her influence and voice acting was brillant WTH was up with her. She wasnt in the first film at all and is banished for no reason we are given no clue where she came from she just comes out of thin air

4. Music
The only good song in that for me was my lulabby and He lives in you. He lives in you wasnt even written for that film any way so the only original one was my lulaby which was supposed to be Ziras version of be prepared. Ok music people you got away with one song. But then the rest of them are just frankly. AUWFULL. They went good it was a huge disappointment.

5. WORST CHARACTER DEATH EVER
This my friends is Zira. Her death wasnt beleivable, didnt work and didnt kill off her character. 1. were did this dam come from 2. The fall wasnt that bad and she falls into water and 3. The water is only there for 30 seconds how are we supposed to believe she drowned its rediculous.

Ok heres my rant hope you enjoyed and could you please answer some questions i have and id be happy to recieve some agruments about things ive said. Please may i say. I DID NOT HATE LION KING 2. I thought it was good but had many problems and was no where near as good as the orginal

1. Disney was thinking of money, money and money. Oh, and did I mention money?

2. I don't know but a good first guess would be that they didn't want to be in the sequel. it wouldn't be the first time an actor doesn't want to have any part in something they perhaps think shouldn't be made or that an actor has simply lost interest in the character.

3.The plot:

Kopa isn't even mentioned in the sequel film because he never existed in the movie universe:
- he is a fanfiction character, as in not Disney's own creation but by outsiders who just offered him to Disney to hold copyrights for and make money with.
- he was never intended and never existed in the movie universe at all which is evident from the commentary track of the first film by its makers. Resulting in the approving stamp is by the general Disney, not by the film makers, resulting in Kopa being created by fans and meant and approved to the book universe only.

Zira: I agree she appears like out of the blue and I wish they had explained her origin but it can easily be filled with a little thought to it: she could've been an outsider joined Scar's pride at some point or been one of the cubs in Simba's childhood but we just didn't get to see her then. But her banishment reason ought to be obvious. The film screams it: She is obsessively in love with Scar and thinks the Pride Lands belong to Scar. She was bound to have tried to kill Simba or something like that and thus got banished.

She and the others are refered to as murderous, which doesn't mean they have succeeded in murdering someone. A failed attempt is enough for that label.

4. Music:

I like all the songs except not Upendi. That's annoying and somehow out of place.

5. Zira's death:

She probably hit her head underwater or she was crushed by the logs and branches and rocks and all that must have been in the fiercly running river.

Thank you for your time
THough Kopa was created much before SP i just thought Darrel Rooney the director might of just thought of Kopa and hought it would be good. Also i thought at least with Kopa you might get a small indercation why Simba comes from this Noble fun loving king
to this perdergis racist overportective fool i dont know also view one of akrils essays on just wondering post by princessKiara and youll see the huge problems Kiara had
Thank you for your time

daruisgib wrote:The only good song in that for me was my lulabby and He lives in you. He lives in you wasnt even written for that film any way so the only original one was my lulaby which was supposed to be Ziras version of be prepared. Ok music people you got away with one song. But then the rest of them are just frankly. AUWFULL. They went good it was a huge disappointment. :x

x This, I have to say, is just a matter of opinion. Other people have different thoughts on the songs, so there is no proof about this.

Of course there is no proof, if it's a matter of opinion. Although I agree with the bit about it being a disappointment, it may not be a fact but I could say I predict it wins by majority vote.
Just saying, he never said it wasn't opinion but the fact that it is opinion does not make it wrong (or right for that matter)

dariusgib wrote:THough Kopa was created much before SP i just thought Darrel Rooney the director might of just thought of Kopa and hought it would be good.

And if SP's makers thought of Kopa and meant him as part of their background story, they would've made it undeniably clear in their film. But there is no references to other cubs whatsoever. As in, the differing design and ceremony alone wouldn't be enough, the film would need to have more to it in order to have the ceremony and all anything more than a remake of the first film's end.

dariusgib wrote:Also i thought at least with Kopa you might get a small indercation why Simba comes from this Noble fun loving king to this perdergis racist overportective fool

Pay attention to the film. The SP movie clearly and fully explains Simba's change. Simba is like that with Kiara because Kiara is just like he was when he was a cub. Simba ana Nala have an entire discussion about it right after Kiara leaves the scene. That's why the film makers put it there - to explain why Simba is so over-protective of his child so that it would be clear even to those who haven't seen the first film. That's all there is and needs to be to his over-protectiveness. The outlanders points were just generally adding to his worries.

As for those points: "stay away from the outlands" and "bunch of backstabbing, murderous outsiders" and "You can't turn your back on them" clearly refer to that Simba doesn't trust the ones he banished and that they're murderOUS, not necessarely murderers. To be labeled murderOUS takes only a failed attempt to murder someone which in this case would most likely be Simba himself.

And also, Simba isn't a racist. The banishment isn't about how the others look or any other superficial reason, it is about that they are Scar's heir and Scar was resident evil who poisoned Simba's mind against everything related to Scar. That point too, is clearly made in the film by Simba asking his father guidence: "Father, I'm lost. Kovu is one of them. Scar's heir. How can I accept him?" and Simba telling Kovu "Scar couldn't let go of his hate and in the end it destroyed him. Sometimes what's left behind can grow better than the generation before - if given the chance." Hence, he was telling Kovu he would give Kovu a chance despite Kovu being Scar's heir and Simba being scared that he'd grown up just like Scar. Which fear by the way was made clear in the Simba's dream scene.

Pay. attention. to. the film.

Because a sequel FILM's makers naturally use the first FILM as a source and base, not some fan made books. And if they would use stuff that can not be found in the same universe as in the first film, they would make a clear mention of it in the sequel film instead of leaving people wondering what's going on. Remember these are professional film makers who wouldn't leave gaping plot holes and if they used some other universe content in their work they would clearly tie it in. One might argue that they did leave a plot hole with the redesign of the cub and the ceremony but other might argue that they have every right to remake the end of the first film. And as they didn't leave any other even potential plot holes into the film if a viewer just bothers to pay attention and think about the first FILM, the cub/ceremony really isn't essential and has by now even been officially settled by the announcement that the cub doesn't have a gender or real name in its own film. Resulting in the SP's makers deciding it's a girl named Kiara and remaking the scene to match their own film's atmorphere and design.

dariusgib wrote:i dont know also view one of akrils essays on just wondering post by princessKiara and youll see the huge problems Kiara had

Would you please just explain in your own words what in the world do you mean by Kiara's "huge problems"? Excluding the design and ceremony in comparasion to the first film's end because that has officially been settled by the first cub's creators as not a problem.

xLilacVixenx wrote:x Kopa is mentioned only in the comic books. He is not a real character, but was considered.

There is NO evidence that Kopa was ever considered. Or if there is, please refer me to an official source of such information. An official source that can be checked out. As in where and when have SP's makers told that they ever considered Kopa? The first film’s makers evidently never did.

I have heard a rumour that SP’s makers first thought of writing Simba to have a boy and a girl and that the boy’s name would’ve been Chaka but that in the end they decided there would just be the girl. Note; Chaka, NOT Kopa. And the rumour has it that Chaka was simply cut out, not written out.

But most importantly; even the Chaka information is unofficial. Nobody EVER refers to the source of that information! Which makes it very, very likely just some fan’s desperate attempt to force the cub in the end of TLK to having been a boy at some point when it simply never was. Originally it was genderless and later officially turned into a girl with a remade design and ceremony. In canon it still remains genderless.

ok i get the ide again you are aking me to stop reffering to the books. Ok i will
also you saying pay attention to the film. I will humbly admit i havent watched it fully in a long time due to it being on video and me not being able not to go into a rant when Zazu come on so that a reason why.
Also when a said kirasa problems well it says that on the post she one of those Mary sue character who are just perfect in every way and allways at the centre of attention making the other characters look useless
the rest of the deatils are on the post
i hope ive answered your questions

dariusgib wrote:Also when a said kirasa problems well it says that on the post she one of those Mary sue character who are just perfect in every way and allways at the centre of attention making the other characters look useless
the rest of the deatils are on the post

Oh, right, of course. Thought you were still refering to plot holes. Well, in this case I must say that at least she's not a copy of Simba. I'd rather have a Mary sue yet offering new blood to the story, than have another Simba (which Kopa is.)

i cant argue with that

I want to play snoker with you lol