My Lion King Forum

Let me back up my following suggestion very throughly and hopefully clearly, so that perhaps it'd be taken seriously.

I acknowledge that all the characters discussed on the Characters board are part of the entity of the official The Lion King universe because Disney gave its stamp on the books wherein they exist and Disney makes profit of them. Thus, I see why you organized the board that simply. But the Characters board as it is now, is horribly confusing to those who believe whatever they read online and don't bother to do their research good and well, and anyway I don't think harm would be done if a popular and awesome fan board like this aimed to be as clear as possible on the lines between the fandom's subuniverses.

My suggestion is that you create a subsection for the book universec characters on the Characters board and move all those book character discussions into it, title the subsection something like "Book/Comic Universe Characters" and mention in its description that they do not exist in the movie universe and never did, because that has officially been proven by Disney and the canon film's creators themselves.

This: Walt Disney Company's book department made the book universe totally contradict itself and thus impossible to validly connect any of the books to the movie universe, and the canon film's makers on the commentary track in 1995/2003 denied Kopa's existence and through that main character also the rest of the book series he's in. Those two facts put together result in the ultimate official proof of how the book universe characters and stories have nothing official to do with the movie universe but are their own, seperate stories only based on the film.

And another essential and researchable fact is that the books were not written and developed by Disney even at all, becoming yet another reason why they totally aren't official to the movies. The people who wrote the books in the book universe are not part of Walt Disney Company and "A Tale of Two Brothers", the first part of the popular book series "Six New Adventures", is its author's, Alex Simmons' original story. His personal web site makes that clear. And a story wouldn't be his original if Disney told what he should write in it.

Now, please, seriously consider to go for my suggestion because I'm not asking this just for my own pleasure, but for the sake of minimizing confusion and headache in this fandom and on this forum wherein I know for a fact that I'm nowhere near the only one who's very much fed up with the people who claim canon/official semi-canon things that aren't canon/official semi-canon. Perhaps such sub-section and clarifying description for it would eventually stop people from putting topics about the book universe characters into The Kingdom boards that are meant for discussing the movie universe and its story and characters. Perhaps eventually people wouldn't start topics asking if Kopa is a real movie character. Perhaps eventually people wouldn't post non-factual topics crying about how they "changed Kopa into Kiara" when they really, really did not change anything.



It is a public and official fact that the book universe characters and stories were not created, written or developed by the canon film's makers and not even approved and tied into the canon by them on any level, so officially they are not canon or even semi/sub-canon characters and stories. Which is why, in my opinion, it is a fact that should be promoted in the fandom.

It's fine as it is, deal with it.

[quote="Simbaholic"]It's fine as it is, deal with it.[/quote]

I'm gonna assume you didn't bother to read that post at all or at least didn't bother to give the reasoning a serious thought.

The board is not the cause of the problem and confusion in this fandom but it could become one thing that would help in clarifying and solving the problem and confusion. That is what I try to say and aim at.

[quote="Simbaholic"]It's fine as it is, deal with it.[/quote]

Nothing rude about that...


Anyway on topic:
TL;DR. But from what I did read (a suggestion should be short and to the point, backed up later if necessary) this is my response...

Look at it this way: TLK as a whole, not as a film series with books as a completely different thing. The idea is we are discussing characters from the entire TLK universe (besides the fan made ones) and that includes ones from TLK 6NA or other things that are not cannon. It shouldn't be too hard for people to comprehend and by that I mean not to aim it at OP, but as a general statement.

If people want to lie and say it is cannon, then that is up to them and you are entitled to prove them wrong if you must, but I have free will and can decide for myself if something is cannon or not. I do not need a sub section of the forum to tell me that.

and flippie is right...kthxbai

I did read it.. until I saw:

[quote="SuperBabySimba"]
My suggestion is that you create a subsection for the book universec characters on the Characters board and move all those book character discussions into it, title the subsection something like "Book/Comic Universe Characters" and mention in its description that they do not exist in the movie universe and never did, because that has officially been proven by Disney and the canon film's creators themselves.[/quote]
Then passed it off once again as more character crying from you.

[quote="FlipMode"]The idea is we are discussing characters from the entire TLK universe (besides the fan made ones) and that includes ones from TLK 6NA or other things that are not cannon.[/quote]

Of course but that would still be possible just the same even with a clarifying sub-board, the difference a sub-board would make is it would eliminate a lot of frustration and trivial topics. Which leads me to...

[quote="Simbaholic"]Then passed it off once again as more character crying from you.[/quote]

...that I wouldn't "cry" if I was the only one and there wasn't a reasonably large number of people who wish the same clarification into the fandom as I do. but I'm not the only one and there is that large number of people. And if you'd read the entire post, you'd know there was more valid reasoning to back up my suggestion.

[quote="FlipMode"]...I have free will and can decide for myself if something is cannon or not. I do not need a sub section of the forum to tell me that.[/quote]

So very meny have the free same free will but not the interest or ability to draw that line, which results in tons of confusion and lies. I don't see how a sub-board would hurt anything, I only see benefits of it to everyone.

Not a bad idea actually. While it's silly to get too worked up about the technical details of cannon/non cannon, it's true that the characters section does need some organizing, and this is as good a criteria as any to go with. Though I think the suggestion could have been made in a less condescending way.

Um guys, it's canon, not cannon.

[quote="Mike"]Though I think the suggestion could have been made in a less condescending way.[/quote]

Agh. You're right. Should've taken a breath before posting in frustrated state of mind and that really was just for the general situation of the fandom and not for anyone personally. I'm so sorry, everyone. Didn't mean to offend anyone and I see now I probably managed to.



And thank you, Mike. I'm glad at least someone finds my suggestion good/worthy.