My Lion King Forum

This is too much, even for me. No need to read that far into it.

All I have to say is this: if there is a God, what Christianity would have you believe is totally off.

Mankind is the source of almost all evil on the planet. We fight each other, we kill each other, and we take advantage of our environment not only to ensure our survival, but because it pleases us.

We're not evil because we have to be. We do it because we want to be.

Now, if God is the omniscient and all powerful entity we are led to believe, then he allows this. If God created the universe he created everything. He created all the problems that we have to work to overcome.

Does this sound like a nice guy to you?

God, whether he exists or not, is our obstacle. He's not all loving, and he's not all powerful. He's no better than anyone else, and he should never be held in such high esteem.

All I have to say is this: if there is a God, what Christianity would have you believe is totally off.

Implying that the Islam's interprentation of God sounds much more appealing? Why is only the Christian version ''totally'' off, if I may ask? I am a Christian though, but don't get me wrong. I'm not getting mad at someone with a diffrent vision then me (unlike many of my own kind.)

Now, if God is the omniscient and all powerful entity we are led to believe, then he allows this. If God created the universe he created everything. He created all the problems that we have to work to overcome.

I don't know what ''god'' you are talking about, but If you are reffering to the Christian God, then this isn't true. Evil is not his work, because the Christian God is depicted as pure and sinless. In this case, it's rather like evil found it's own ''loophole'' into the world, if for argument's sake you assume that the Christian God and the bible are true.

God, whether he exists or not, is our obstacle. He's not all loving, and he's not all powerful. He's no better than anyone else, and he should never be held in such high esteem.

Once again I'm not sure what ''god'' you speak off, so I can't really answer to that yet. But if you are talking about the Christian God, then you are wrong again. The Christian God made the ultimate sacrifice for mankind out of pure unconditional love. ''For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.'' John 3:16

God may exist but also may not exist. However I think there is more evidence to suggest not but I would be more than pleased to be completely proved wrong....
That's about my entire opinion on the matter in a nutshell "Maybe, maybe not. Doesn't really affect my views on life either way."

All we need to do is look at three contradictory facts:

> God is all-loving.

> God created humanity.

> Humans are a hateful, despicable species, generally speaking.

Therefore, it is God's "love" that causes all of the wrongdoings we face in today's society. Does any of this seem reasonable?

If it is a loophole that is causing all evil in the world, then you have just admitted that God has no true power. So, God isn't really God, now is he?

Regulus wrote:Therefore, it is God's "love" that causes all of the wrongdoings we face in today's society. Does any of this seem reasonable?

Im not going to get in on this debate, just becuase I honestly don't know where I stand on it. But, someone showed me this a while ago, and I think it might answer your question~


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcUS09pi2PE

That dentist analogy illustrates the very problem I was referring to.

The argument is that dentists exist, even though people have broken teeth, simply because people don't go to the dentist.

But, that's just it: some people don't go to the dentist.

This implies that people have the choice not to go, or that some people have an inability to go. It implies that a dentist cannot fix the problems in everyone's teeth--that's a fact that we can all agree with.

Now, what this means is simple. If you're saying God is like a dentist, then you are saying that God cannot fix the problems in humanity. Therefore, humanity and God are independent.

As such, it must mean either of the following:

1. God has the power to intervene, but chooses not to.
In this case, God is sitting back watching, while stuffing his face with popcorn. It's like he's enjoying the thought of watching us all suffer, much like we humans enjoy watching other humans beat each other up. He doesn't seem like a very loving guy to me.

2. God does not have the power to intervene.
This means that he is not all-powerful. It means that he isn't perfect. It means that he can do wrong, and we have equal or greater power than he does. This scenario also forces the existence of our own free will. In this case, he isn't a higher power. In this case, I see no reason to worship him.

That's why I said that if God exists, he cannot be all loving and all powerful. It is a logical impossibility.

And this is where I reason that if God isn't all loving, then he isn't worthy of my worship. Or, if he isn't all powerful, then he isn't worthy of worship, either. So, either way, I can safely assume that I do not need to worship God.

All we need to do is look at three contradictory facts:

> God is all-loving.

> God created humanity.

> Humans are a hateful, despicable species, generally speaking.

Not really. In the book of Genesis mankind originally wasn't evil and hateful, and anything related to that, but rather mankind was created in the living image of God himself, to be like God in character and personality (pure, holy, sinless, etc). It wasn't untill mankind willingly sinned and rebelled against God, that mankind became corrupted as it is now. Therefore, (assuming God exists) God didn't create humanity the way it is now.

Therefore, it is God's "love" that causes all of the wrongdoings we face in today's society. Does any of this seem reasonable?

If it is a loophole that is causing all evil in the world, then you have just admitted that God has no true power. So, God isn't really God, now is he?

I don't think you quite understood me. I meant that God didn't directly create evil and sin (as I call it) and also wasn't directly responsible for it. And I must erase the ''stereotypical'' kind of God that you have in mind, because even God has limits. for example, God cannot act contrary to his own character and nature.

There are two possibilities here:

There is a creationist being/beings, or there isn't one/more than one. Either one of these possibilities is equally significant in magnitude.

Nicholas wrote:Not really. In the book of Genesis mankind originally wasn't evil and hateful, and anything related to that, but rather mankind was created in the living image of God himself, to be like God in character and personality (pure, holy, sinless, etc). It wasn't untill mankind willingly sinned and rebelled against God, that mankind became corrupted as it is now. Therefore, (assuming God exists) God didn't create humanity the way it is now.

So, God created humanity, but humanity changed.

How is it possible that God can create something, but not alter or destroy it? It just doesn't make sense to me, in principle. We humans have the power to change anything that we create, so I find it hard to believe that God can't.

Either way, if that is true, then we must have power over God. Therefore, we have free will, and we are capable of making our own decisions. It's as simple as that.

Oh, and on that note, let's not forget that God isn't quite the great being I'm supposed to think he is. If I remember correctly, God told Abraham to kill his son, to test his faith.

Is that really something a pure and uncorrupted being would do? If that's God's idea of faith, he's actually a pretty sick man. If anything, it seems to me like a lot of the wrongdoings in the world are actually influenced by God.

I don't think you quite understood me. I meant that God didn't directly create evil and sin (as I call it) and also wasn't directly responsible for it. And I must erase the ''stereotypical'' kind of God that you have in mind, because even God has limits. for example, God cannot act contrary to his own character and nature.

Okay, so if God didn't create evil, then God didn't create everything. But supposedly, didn't God create the universe? Are you saying that isn't true?

What is it, then, that created everything?

If there is a supreme being, and only one supreme being, then that supreme being had to create everything. By saying that God didn't create evil and sin, then you are also saying that some things are outside of God's control, which, again, means God isn't really a God.

All I'm getting from this is that Man is stronger than God, no matter how I look at it. And, in that case, all I can wonder is why we worship God, when God should actually worship us. We must be the supreme beings. We are the higher power.

Omg, another never ending religious thread XD