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BARACK OBAMA vs MITT ROMNEY

Even though it's a bit too early to tell, who do you think will win the election in November? If you are an American who is 18+ years old, who will you vote for?

Personally, I would vote for Mitt Romney even though he has yet to offer his own economic growth plan...or that I have heard of. I just don't think Obama deserves to be reelected given that the economy has not improved much since he took office, and the deficit and natonal debt has skyrocketed moreso than it did in the Bush years. However, I will give Obama credit for a slightly successful foreign policy, but the main focus for this election seems to be the status of the U.S. economic system.

Wow. I predict massive drama in this thread x)

But by srs, this will be my first time to vote

I will not talk politics because it gets a war started

Romney.

Obama, while meaning well, knows nothing on how to run a nation. The longer he's in office, the worse things will get. I can post a huge rant, but will refrain from doing so.

Woeler1 wrote:So like thousands of people were protesting against wallstreet and the rich people. Because obviously the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. Now some kind of super rich businessman steps into politics whose religion permits to have multiple wives, allows racism, and is pro ''blood-to-blood punishment''.

If I were American I'd vote Obama for sure. People need to have their freedom. In this economical recession war would be a disaster. We don't need more preposterous actions. You don't need more fighter jets and an even bigger defence force, you don't need to be in Afghanistan, You don´t need to give billions and billions of dollars to Africa when your own poor are struggling to live a normal life.

Care for all the people, not a small group.

Obama does not offer freedom. The democratic party is against freedomat it's core, and here is why:

Republicans tell you to do what you want, but if you mess up, it's your bloody fault, and you clean up the mess, not the rest of the nation. If you can't clean it up... well, you got yourself into it, didn't you?

Democrats on the other hand take away responsibility. If you mess up, they will happily clean it up for you and let you start again. You lean nothing, mess up again, and once again get a fresh start. And everyone are happy.
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... Except for smart and responsible people who either don't mess up or clean up their own mess. Those people have to pay for everyone else who are not responsible (who outnumber the others 10:1), until they too have to be taken care of by the big Government... which now has run out of cash.

Tell me how that will fix the nation exactly?

lawl let's calm down you two x)

I guess I need to read up some more on the facts before I decide who I am voting for

LOL FOR MY WELL, DON'T SUPPORT INVASIONS TO OIL COUNTRIES, LOL

DGFone wrote:Democrats on the other hand take away responsibility. If you mess up, they will happily clean it up for you and let you start again. You lean nothing, mess up again, and once again get a fresh start. And everyone are happy.

Well... ok. What else is the government for?

Woeler1 wrote:In this economical recession war would be a disaster. We don't need more preposterous actions. You don't need more fighter jets and an even bigger defence force, you don't need to be in Afghanistan, You don´t need to give billions and billions of dollars to Africa when your own poor are struggling to live a normal life.

Exactly.

So we just let Africa starve off?

So we just let more people bomb us, because it's okay to kill Americans?

It's believes like these that just make me feel insulted. That Americans don't have a right to defend ourselves, or help anyone for that matter.

From what I can tell, and I'm just speaking honestly, I feel like most people who strongly dislike Obama cite that he "has not improved the economy" or "hasn't done anything". It's true; one of Obama's major flaws is his inability to communicate his accomplishments with the people. However, he has improved the economy, slowly (What did you expect? Although I dislike taking snipes at either party in particular, the last republican president left our economy destroyed, our international image tarnished, and led us into a fruitless war that has costed us $750 billion dollars we desperately need for education and healthcare as well as thousands of American lives. It goes much further than that, but it's a bit irrelevant). Obama has improved relations with the Middle East, and he has accomplished much, much more counter terrorism in one still unfinished term than Bush did. He also did it with a fraction of the collateral and financial damage Bush inflicted doing it, and he didn't start a war. "The damage done to Al Qaeda by the Obama administration represents America’s greatest national security success since the fall of the Soviet Union and the peaceful integration of Eastern European countries in the 1990s." - Americanprogress.org. Pretty much only one Al-Qaeda leader remains, the military under Obama has eliminated all other major Al Qaeda players. That in itself is a remarkable legacy.

What does Mitt bring to the table? In a time of Occupy, a time when people are discontent with the distribution of wealth, does it seem appropriate to appoint a mega-rich businessman, whose prior company has a nasty reputation for cannibalizing other companies and leaving hundreds of employees out of work? While part of me is attracted to his knowledge of the economy, the knowledge that he will try to apply the utterly broken but Republican-championed policy of trickle down economics destroys any confidence I might have in him. In the history of America those policies have never worked, why should they start working now? Taxing the rich less and taxing me more doesn't sound too fair, thanks very much. Also, if Obamacare is eliminated, working class people out of college like my brother will be forced out of apartments back home, seeing as most low end jobs do not offer health care and the cost of it is too high to allow young people to also pay rent. Before someone says "well don't make it mandatory", just don't say that. I'm a perfectly healthy, athletic teenager who recently spent 2 months in the hospital and racked up over $750,000 in medical bills. If I didn't have insurance, my life and my family's life would be destroyed. Also, Mitt doesn't support gay marriage, and I see two possibilities for that: 1) he is a bigot (unlikely) OR 2) he is a coward who refuses to stand for what's right because it alienates him from his party and voters. And as Woeler already pointed out, he wants to interfere in Iran. The last thing this country needs is another war. Period.

In the coming term, Obama will have to focus on the economy. Is he the most knowledgeable person in the world about it? No. Does he have a cabinet of the most knowledgeable people in the world about it? Sure does. It's not like this decision is based solely on him. He has the world's foremost economic advisors at his ear, and I have confidence that he will come through for the American people. Now that he has ended the Iraq war (like he promised) and has accomplished most of what America needs done in terms of foreign policy, he can focus on the economy. Also, legalizing gay marriage would be nice. It's time for America to move past bigotry and religious ignorance into an age of freedom and tolerance.

Wall of text thanks. My two cents. Political debate ftw. Obama 2012.