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Though that being said I don't think Simba should have forgiven the Outsiders so quickly (even after Kiara's whole "we are one" monologue and Zira's death).
-What differences do you see?
-Well, they are openly supporting the lion that killed my father, convinced me it was my fault, destroyed the Pride Lands and tried to kill me several times. They also tried to kill me like a few days ago and spent the last hour or so trying to kill me again and the rest of my Pride. Also your boyfriend originally joined the pride so that he could kill me. So, yeah, plenty of differences. Not to mention that their leader is about to try to kill me again and will nearly kill you in the process.
Hm, not sure my teenage daughter and a few sunbeams after a rainstorm would be enough to convince me that it was time "to put the past behind us"
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Well, as you know very well, I am definitely a Scar supporter, but I will agree with you on those points. Especially on this.
Kiara's argument was... I dunno... kind of weak. I guess it's good that the feud ended at some point, but still, that's a lot of scores left unsettled - I don't think the majority would be happy about that, especially the Outsiders.
Personally, I can't understand why Vitani was the one who switched over first, seeing as she was Zira's daughter
(presumably) and one of her most zealous supporters, not to mention Simba was the one who had inadvertently killed her older brother/one of her only living family members
(again, presumably) a couple of hours before. I mean, I guess maybe after he died she might have thought 'enough is enough', but still, the Outlanders had the strength and the numbers to take on the Pridelanders. Why wouldn't she want to avenge his death? They were already headed for war anyways. Why not finish the job they'd been training for all those years, instead of having Nuka die in vain?
That said, I don't see why a simple monologue would change the sentiments of either Simba or Zira.
(Even though it's about something Simba said to Kiara himself but never really followed. :s) I mean, I guess some of the Outlanders weren't at fault, such as Kovu, since he was a cub when he was exiled... and personally I think it wasn't right of Simba to exile innocents like that... but really, most of them on both sides seemed to be beyond talking it out at that point. It's not like Simba can just say 'whoops, sorry, my bad' after forcing entire families to spend years in a barren wasteland by themselves. I don't think that would go over too well.
I dunno. I mean, I guess Vitani might not have known her father that well, but still... I don't think she'd be one to betray the rest of her family like that, especially since Simba had
not been kind to her and her pride up to that point.
I'm personally kind of wondering if she and the other Outsiders didn't smother Simba the night after TLKII ended. I mean... maybe they weren't really over it after all? Maybe Vitani was just fooling the Pridelanders to get an opportunity to avenge Nuka and her parents? Maybe she inherited some of Scar's cunning? Ya never know.
(Hmmm... that'd be an interesting story...) 
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Personally...
I don't consider any of Zira's children to be Scar's. They were originally supposed to be, but that was weird and got changed, and Zira's personality fits more with an obsessed stalker/fangirl than a mate. Not to mention that Kovu and Vitani are the same age, and while it's possible for one cub to be from one male and another from another... if Vitani was Scar's, then Zira would have no way to know that Kovu wasn't. So it just doesn't line up.
That said, I don't think any of the Outlanders besides Zira had any loyalty to Scar. They switched sides so quickly, this implies they felt no devotion to the cause. It's hard to say for sure since obviously these characters weren't in the first movie, but most of them just seem to want to not be forced to live in the Outlands any more and to actually be able to eat. They never thought Simba would accept them, since they'd been banished (my theory being that either they showed up after the first film, and looked similar enough to Scar and Zira for Simba to panic, or they were friends with Zira or something and not necessarily loyal to Scar, as Zira herself is the only one who ever mentions wanting to avenge Scar, other than the brainwashed Kovu) and so they fought until they heard Kiara's little speech and saw that it affected Simba. Once they saw he wasn't cruel like Zira insisted and was willing to attempt to make up for his mistake, then why should they fight and risk more injury or the Outlands?
Zira is the only one who refused to be swayed because of her ridiculous devotion to Scar. She was like a cult leader, trying to brainwash the others, and obviously succeeding at least in part. When they saw Simba was going to stop the fighting and invited them to come back with him, I'm sure they realized that any more deaths (like Nuka's) were unnecessary. Vitani probably didn't want Zira to die while fighting and probably didn't want to fight Kovu, being her only brother left, and so I can't see any reason for her
not to switch sides.
Additionally, in regard to Niña's post... none of the lionesses during Scar's reign knew he had done what he did to Simba, and there's absolutely 0 evidence that any of the Outlanders besides Zira were Scar loyalists. She was, certainly, but none of the others seemed to care, as I mentioned, they'd have refused to switch sides like Zira did if they were devoted to him as well. This means that Simba exiled innocents, and no matter how you look at it, that is true, because Nuka, Vitani and Kovu were definitely not guilty of anything, being cubs. Exiling innocents and forcing them to starve is worse than what Scar did, because Scar could not cause the drought on the Pride Lands. Had there been no drought, the hyenas would not have caused the lionesses to starve, because, as we know, the hyenas were already poaching in the Pride Lands, so they were eating anyway. This is not to say that Scar wasn't evil because he did do bad things. But it is to say that Simba did exile multiple innocents and leave them in the Outlands to starve; innocents who were cubs.
Their attempts to kill him are entirely justified, as is their decision to join him at the end.
Yes, Scar did horrible things to Simba. But you can't punish others for his actions. Scar, and Scar alone, ruined Simba's life, not Zira or any of the other Outlanders. Once Scar is dead, he has paid. Zira's devotion makes her dangerous, yes, and she wanted revenge, but that only gives cause to punish her. Her cubs, and any of the Outlanders not devoted to Scar (again, judging by how quickly they changed sides, meaning
none of them) were only a threat
because they had been exiled. They were victims of tyrannical acts perpetrated by Simba in his paranoia.
I'll get started. *rubs hands together gleefully*
