by SlayerOfLight » November 6th, 2013, 9:25 pm
[quote]Who said this and what source should I take this from besides you? And that's besides the fact that thoughtcrime is a victimless crime, just like blasphemy or sin[/quote]
From the gosepl of Christ, if you really want know. But my point was to explain that God would look at us more diffrently then we look at each other, so I assume this topic is a little bit useless to us now. Besides, sin is not a victimless crime because sin includes murder, robbery, rape, etc.
[quote]In God's world it's either you follow him or you go to hell. There is no difference and you've just proven that even more.[/quote]
No diffrence? I dont know about you, but I clearly do see a diffrence. It's not just ''Follow God or go to hell''. We already have violated God's law by sinning, wether we follow him or not, and we all deserve to punished and send to hell. But unlike Kim Jong-Un, God offers us his grace and mercy because of the sacrifice he made for us, by dying for our sins on the cross. However, people who refuse God's grace simply condemn themselves to hell and leave God no choice but to punish them for their sins, even though God offered them grace and forgiveness. Technically seen God gave up his own life for us as ransom when he came to earth in the flesh as ''Jesus Christ'' so that none of us goes to hell if we simply repent from our sins and turn to him. Hell was also never originally prepared for mankind, but only for the devil and his angels.
[quote]I can't have a jar of God either. I have now disproven the existence of God with your own faulty logic[/quote]
Uhm no, my point wasn't even to try to prove God's existence. You merely changed the subject. Besides, even if it were proven that God would exist, you still couldn't have a jar of him anyway.
[quote]Besides, God is all-knowing and should have known evil was coming, which still makes it evil. He's either the creator of everything including evil. It's not like evil suddenly falls aside from the universe, or he doesn't exist and there are other more valid theories.[/quote]
Well, people get kids while they know their kids could turn out to be evil, but still they want kids nonetheless. Same is with God. He is all loving, and he was aware of the ''evil'' that would come if he created mankind with a free will. I have to admit that this is a bit of a tricky mystery even for me to solve, but one also cannot truly understand a God hundred percent that supposedly has always been present. But it could possibly be that he allowed everything to happen so his glory could manifest in all its fullness. The glory of God is the overarching goal of creation, therefore creating mankind and giving them a free will, even though he knew they would fall into sin, is just God being ''God''. Because a God that does not create anything isn't a god. He also knew that one day he would also die for the sins of his creation, and the whole story of sin and redemption is part of manifesting his glory.
[quote]Which would be morally ideal both for him and for us.[/quote]
That would've been slavery, and that wouldn't make God any better then you claim he isn't now. Besides, if you were to given a choice to either have a robot dog as a pet which is programmed to ''love'' you or a real pet dog that willingly chooses to love you, I think it's quite obvious you would choose the latter, just like God, who wants us to love and accept him by our own choice. This would rather prove God to be a loving God.
[quote]Sure, I'd trust the 2000 year old books written by racist, sexist, homophobic, violent, sexually frustrated men over empirical evidence and expert's visions any day. After all, that's way easier than actually taking the initiative to find out how stuff works.[/quote]
Well you weren't there when they wrote this ''book'' so you cannot fully conclude what motivated those men to write the bible.
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SlayerOfLight on November 6th, 2013, 9:39 pm, edited 3 times in total.